To be scared people aren't taking far-right extremists seriously?

[AnxiousApocalypse]

There is so much anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK and the West in general. There are a lot of people that believe if you are a person of colour that has grown up in the UK but have immigrant parents, then you are not British enough- even if you have spent your whole life here and integrated into British society. On Wednesday, three far-right extremists were convicted in Sheffield Crown Court of planning a terrorist attack but there was hardly any coverage. At my workplace, people talk about immigrants coming over on scam care worker visas schemes, bringing their dependants and taking up resources such as school places and NHS appointments when those are already lacking for those born in Britain. I thought that scrapping overseas recruitment for care workers and heightening the qualifications threshold for skilled worker visas by the government was quite severe, but comments on the Daily Mail and Telegraph articles show that this isn't enough for most people. What about all the universities having to make cuts due to losing significant income from the new restrictions on international student visas? Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

100% this. ^ 👏

And also 100% this! ^

The dismissal by well off liberals of concerns about immigration as racist, and the labeling of particularly working class people as bigots, is %100 what has allowed more extreme right wing parties to grow.

So sure, some people certainly do not seem to be taking that threat seriously, the people who should be making good immigration policies.

"If mainstream politicians had even acknowledged a fraction of the problems caused by the policy of unfettered mass immigration"

All countries trying to grow their economies while experiencing falling birth rates are reliant on immigration, and this will continue to be the case.

What we've had in the UK is problematic because it involves high levels of immigration alongside prolonged, eye watering austerity and BREXIT, which has damaged public services and sucked huge amounts of money out of local economies. And then we have a right wing press which has relentlessly blamed the resultant fall in living standards on immigration alone.

@Sabire9

It'll end with people being killed or brutalised

This is already happening. I've seen several reports of brown people being chased and beaten by gangs.

There's common rhetoric of asylum seekers being paedophiles. If they didn't have constant security, I don't know what would happen to them by vigilantes.

Gosh, not even 30 posts in, and BREXIT is being brought up, when it's absolutely NOTHING to do with the thread subject. How predictable and tedious... 🙄

Tell that to those who constantly conflate the two.

Why would it mean white? My partner is a wc man, Caribbean, came with his parents as a boy in the 70s. He is really concerned about the effects of too liberal an immigration policy.

You people insisting that concerns like that have to be about some kind of white supremacist lens are a huge part of the issue. It's like there is a total inability to even conceptualise other possibilities.

They’re not getting those basic services or needs met not because of immigrants but because of years and years of underfunding.

I'm one person :)

Thinking in 'you people' terms is a giveaway...

The whole indigenous/First Nation stuff is just far right ideology seeping into the nation's consciousness.

I will first say I have never heard this in the UK, the closest is some things you might hear in Scotland or Wales, but that's typically more specifically anti-English.

But if there is rhetoric like that, I would expect it's coming from North America, where it's considered quite acceptable by some. Some of it is quite nasty too.

@TempestTost

"The dismissal by well off liberals of concerns about immigration as racist,"

Except people are racist - you can see it all over social media. It' s not just about numbers or pressure on services.

"and the labeling of particularly working class people as bigots, is %100 what has allowed more extreme right wing parties to grow."

If someone's referring to migrants and asylum seekers as 'illegals' and 'muslamics' who want to force us all to live under Sharia law, then I'm going to call them deluded bigots who like dehumanising immigrants.

This is not likely to be the case long term, at least not in anything like the way it is being carried out now.

Adding large numbers to the population isn't effective at long term propping up the economy unless the newcomers manage to be on the higher side of economic prosperity. otherwise the effect tends to be to drain more resources from the system.

The idea that all immigration was helpful in that way was believed for a long time but it's clear now it's a more complicated picture. It has to be well managed and thought out.

Even then, it's not really a long term solution, especially when it prevents us from looking at other ways to become sustainable.

I second that. Also not white. My family entered this country legally and the last bit of racism I faced was 25 years ago. Winter 2000 if you want a specific year.

This is the second time I’ve wrote this on similar threads this week. It’s almost like the left want us to face racism.

I have no issue with the Conservative Party, Reform, Katie Bloody Hopkins or any other person who is trying to protect the rights of uk citizens.

I've seen it loads of times on MN.

@TempestTost

"He is really concerned about the effects of too liberal an immigration policy."

Is that concern about pressure on public services and housing after 15 years of biting government austerity, or what?

If it's about cultural change and crime, what makes that different to the massive objections raised by white Brits in response to waves of immigration from the West Indies in the 1950's?

Yes. Most of the misinformation coming from people going on about the ‘rise of far right extremism’. I guess you can claim there is a rise in the ‘far right’ if you label everyone who wants a conversation about we let into our country as being far right.

That is not the case however and you are just creating an issue where there doesn’t need to be one.

My main fear is the serious and very deadly issue of Islamic terrorism which takes up approx 75% of the work of MI5 in prevention and costs us millions per year in security measures like crowd protection barriers etc. Individuals like Lee Rigby have been murdered on the street, little girls murdered in their dance class and Ariana Grande fans murdered on a night out. Not to mention the London bus bombings. There are more. Name an equivalent number of ‘far right’ murders please.

It is quite an unsurprising fact that if we let in an uncontrolled number of immigrants who are not properly checked, we are letting in some people who have sworn to kill us. It is only fair that we get to discuss this openly without people like you calling us ‘far right’.

I have no issue with controlled migration and am proud that we are a welcoming and tolerant society. We can’t let the extremists and those who would silence us change that.

Quote on stats below from Hansard.

hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2023-07-24/debates/03C258B1-5D37-4875-A575-204A0BFE9766/ContestUKStrategyForCounteringTerrorism2023

“By far the biggest terrorist threat comes from Islamist terrorism. It accounts for 67% of attacks since 2018, and about three quarters of MI5’s caseload. The remainder of the UK terrorist threat is largely driven by extreme right-wing terrorism, which accounts for approximately 22% of attacks since 2018 and about a quarter of the MI5 caseload.”

Exactly this!!

But your view and that of your DH doesn’t suit their narrative so your post will be skimmed over as it can’t be used as a weapon.

Yes I would class Windrush as working class - they were invited over & took on jobs like train drivers, nurses. I think it’s different as we knew who was coming & presumably had housing & jobs in place for the new arrivals.

You don't know your own history.

Many Windrush arrivals had been back and forth already and some from families involved in fighting for Britain in one or both world wars. It wasn't a one time arrival situation.

There was no welcome package.

Try reading Samuel Selvon.

Incidentally there were upper middle and middle class arrivals to study as well and different classes of lodging on the boats.

Yes, it is definitely on the rise on MN. Last night when I watched the newish film, The Age, with Jude Law about the terrorist white Supremacists in 1980s U.S. it reminded of some of the racist language you now see on here, before it is deleted.

I lived in

Concerns about the effects of mass immigration were being dismissed as being bigoted long before those terms were common. That dismissal, for years, is the behaviour that has led to the place we are now.

If it doesn't stop it will lead to worse.

@Potsofpetals
"I have no issue with the Conservative Party, Reform, Katie Bloody Hopkins or any other person who is trying to protect the rights of uk citizens."

Is that you Suella? 🙄

Love that you frame someone like Katie Hopkins, an out and out fascist who's called for child asylum seekers to be left to drown in the channel, as 'trying to protect the rights of UK citizens'. H

Thank you for this wonderful and insightful post

We need names OP of the groups of far right extremists that they belong to..Any individual name /person that concerns you so much?