DH won't let daughter go on school trip to mosque

[RealUmberAnt]

I'm shocked and appalled!! He (M41)says he doesn't want her (DD12) learning about people who marry there daughters off at 9 years old and all their women are oppressed and forced to cover up and do as their told!

I feel like he's taring all Muslims with the same brush and it's good to learn about other religions and see other places of worship!

I'm so mad!! I honestly don't think I can stay with someone who has these opinions!!

Also I would never stay with a bigot personally. For me that would be a fairly easy LTB decision as I doubt very much he stops at stereotyping of muslims.

Oh…I think we’re in a bad place if we aren’t able to criticise a religion as it “isn’t likely to be very welcome”.

If the Catholic Church can be criticised (in relation to specific events. Your worry is a related to a general conversation) openly and repeatedly then so can Islam.

We can’t allow religious criticism to become taboo. That way danger lies.

Whut?

Literally whut?

I didn't say anywhere in my post, anything remotely like we can't criticise religion.

Also I don’t know why people are talking about criticising a religion? He wasn’t doing that. He was stereotyping over a billion people of diverse beliefs, cultures, erhnicities etc.

Because they happen to share a faith.

He’s a moron. Given intelligence is inherited I would be worried about how thick my kids may grow up to be.

Well yes. What else would they say?

Why would it teach them anything about “Islam” instead of just teaching them something about those specific parents?

Are you kidding. Have you not seen how Christianity is being weapon used in the USA?

You started making claims about evil Christians in America to imply they are as bad as the extreme Islamic countries. You must therefore know how many women and gay people have they murdered in the name of their religion?

But all the pro Islam (for want of a better description) people keep insisting that all moderate Muslims abhor the extreme behaviour displayed by millions across entire countries so why shouldn’t we discuss this with them and find some common ground? Are you worried that they’ve made incorrect assumptions about the views of Muslims?

Or do you just like telling the rest of us to shut up so you can maintain whatever lofty heights of your self appointed moral ‘superiority’ ?

I can’t imagine why you would object to wanting to discuss matters that are clearly causing social tension (in this case to the extent of pls calling OPs dh terrible things and advising her to leave him) with the aim of moving forward with understanding. Some of the nasty comments on here about people who don’t support every aspect of Islam show that talking is very much needed.

While I am happy to talk to anyone and find out more about their religion, surely you understand that this particular issue is concerning British society and Islam - why are you now worrying about ‘singling people out’? Do you think there are other religions that have concerns about the practices of Islam? Surely that’s up to them to sort?

I’m sorry but I agree with him. Having a mum who grew up in a Muslim country and was told to convert to Islam or all the girls in the family will be brutally raped and their vaginas will be cut to pieces with glass bottles; and seeing this actually happen to other girls as a warning in the streets - these terrible stereotypes don’t come from thin air. They are very very real. My mum escaped her country but millions didn’t and women are trapped there under the guise of Islamic ‘law’.
We don’t understand these concepts in Britain as they are so alien, I think we therefore think it’s rude and judgmental to think of a religion as so violent but it is extremely violent, and the atrocities committed under Islamic ‘laws’ are savage. Women being being to death for not wearing a head scarf; how is your husband wrong???
If you genuinely believe you are questioning your marriage, I feel sad for your husband as he can’t have an honest conversation about his feelings without you dismissing him and calling him a racist.

@BundleBoogie

so why shouldn’t we discuss this with them and find some common ground?

Why would British people want to discuss what other countries are doing? They aren't responsible for how Islam is interpreted in other countries.

Are you worried that they’ve made incorrect assumptions about the views of Muslims?

Who have made incorrect assumptions?

Or do you just like telling the rest of us to shut up so you can maintain whatever lofty heights of your self appointed moral ‘superiority’ ?

What are you talking about?

I can’t imagine why you would object to wanting to discuss matters that are clearly causing social tension

What's causing social tension?

Some of the nasty comments on here about people who don’t support every aspect of Islam show that talking is very much needed.

I don't believe anyone here has said that they agree with every aspect of Islam. Just as I haven't told anyone to shut up. You seem to be making stuff up.

surely you understand that this particular issue is concerning British society and Islam -

What issue?

why are you now worrying about ‘singling people out’?

You seem to be talking about talking to a marginalised group about other cultures in order to criticise them and make them responsible. It comes across as singling people out for criticism.

o you think there are other religions that have concerns about the practices of Islam?

I have no idea.

Surely that’s up to them to sort?

I'm sure it is...

It sounds very much like OP has ‘summarised’ his words rather than quoted direct.
He may well have been talking about that particular mosque. There are extremist Muslim preachers teaching in some mosques (note I say some, not all), and out in public in this country. A minority of Muslims in this country do have extremist views - MI5 are kept very busy trying to prevent Islamic terror attacks.

OPs husband may know or may have made a huge assumption about what the followers in that mosque believe. You have also just made a huge assumption about what they believe.

On what grounds do you declare that he’s a moron?

😂😂😂😂

My friend teaches in a Cof E school .it has a very high proportion of Muslim children. The parents don't appear to have problems with children visiting church at Christmas and they do a Christmas play. I have found Muslims to be entirely respectful of other religions so why white "Christians" cannot offer the same courtesy I'm not sure. Every religion has a spectrum of human life, some more devout others more Liberal. We need to get to know each other to make the future better.

He should let them go and go with them. He might learn something

I’m talking about having open discussions where the moderate Muslims in this country involve themselves so we can understand their opinions better and find some common ground and hear their thoughts on the extremists as I said in my previous post.

The answers to the rest of your questions are clear in the thread - I’m not going to plough through your disingenuous list individually.

I am quite stunned that you would discourage open conversation with all parties involved in this topic. It says more about you though.

It's very difficult to take you seriously when you refuse to engage, answer questions and keep making insulting remarks.

If this is your idea of creating community cohesion, it's going to fail.

moderate Muslims in this country involve themselves so we can understand their opinions better and find some common ground and hear their thoughts on the extremists as I said in my previous post.

Find common ground regarding what? If they're moderate, they're going to agree that extremists are bad.

I am quite stunned that you would discourage open conversation with all parties involved in this topic. It says more about you though.

I'm not entirely sure what you want an open conversation on and you refuse to expand or explain. I don't understand why you're 'stunned'. I have no idea what you're trying to achieve.

Why don't you ask the poster I'm quoting who spoke of moderate Muslims?

You seem to be personally attacking me for some reason. I quoted another person who spoke about moderate Muslims. Ask that poster what they meant.

That's really interesting. Thank you for providing that information.

Oh so OP wasn’t there and you know much better than she does.

Cool.

Also I have not made any assumptions about what anybody believes. Please don’t lie especially when what I wrote is clearly visible.

Saying you cannot make assumptions about over 1bn people isn’t making an assumption. It’s the literal opposite.