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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

564 replies

Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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Defrump · 11/05/2025 09:33

Of course it's barbaric and evil
Shocking that a quarter of Mumsnetters think it isn't 🤔

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:33

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 09:30

At least learn how to spell it…

An amazing contribution to the thread

DottieMoon · 11/05/2025 09:34

Don’t waste your time with @JandamiHash . You cannot reason with people like that. What a horrifying world we live in with people who actually think like this.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:36

Defrump · 11/05/2025 09:33

Of course it's barbaric and evil
Shocking that a quarter of Mumsnetters think it isn't 🤔

Who’s said it isn’t?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:37

DottieMoon · 11/05/2025 09:34

Don’t waste your time with @JandamiHash . You cannot reason with people like that. What a horrifying world we live in with people who actually think like this.

Oh I’m so sorry I’m not subscribing to the “they’re just evil!” Mindset, many grovelling apologies for recognising that it’s all nuanced.

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 09:38

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 08:51

Israel = another European settler colony protecting the interests of Europe and America in the middle East.

We long ago stopped equating Zionism, a dangerous racist supremacy ideology with Judaism.

Britain is colluding in the suffering of Palestine by providing fighter jet parts, intelligence and diplomatic cover for Israel, it is shameful but not surprising.

"European settler colony"

Did you realise that less than 40% of Israelis have European or American ancestry?

Rosscameasdoody · 11/05/2025 09:39

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:19

This whole thread is full of posts condemning the Israeli government and no one has called that anti semetic.

The holocaust inversion was called out.

Surprisingly, a quick scroll back reveals that the Israeli government don’t appear to be posting here. I wasn’t addressing holocaust inversion. I was addressing the fact that Israel’s response to criticism of its’ conduct is to shout ‘anti semitism’ to shut down the debate. But then you knew that.

Potsofpetals · 11/05/2025 09:39

hummousnothamas · 11/05/2025 08:35

Of course you don’t care what Hamas has done.

If you cared you’d have to question the simplistic good guy/bad narrative you are enjoying.

And maybe you have so dehumanized Israeli children, women and men that you genuinely don’t care. In which case you have become the monster you claim to hate.

Well said. Isreal is doing nothing more than stand its ground. These ‘civilians’ that are now ‘starving’ danced in the streets when Hamas raped and murdered innocent people.

Zero sympathy do I have. It is a lesson to each and every supporter of radical terrorists. You rape, bomb, murder. This is what will happen to you.

TheFrendo · 11/05/2025 09:40

Hamas should return the remaining hostages, hand over those guilty of the October 7th attacks then surrender.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/05/2025 09:41

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:18

That’s because anti-Israel sentiment is often peppered with antisemitism. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

How convenient.

Bigfatsunandclouds · 11/05/2025 09:42

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:28

I don’t care what Hamas or anyone else has done

You don’t care about whatthe violent raping terrorists have done? You don’t think it’s at all relevant to the situation?

You think that means that we should effectively starve the entire population? Hamas are awful, they committed grave crimes but what Israel has done and are doing is so disproportionate and it's plain evil. Israel want to be a democracy and seen as the west as a beacon of hope in the middle east then they need to stop behaving like egomaniac dictatoral monsters, this is barbaric.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:44

Rosscameasdoody · 11/05/2025 09:41

How convenient.

Edited

What do you mean?

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:45

Rosscameasdoody · 11/05/2025 09:39

Surprisingly, a quick scroll back reveals that the Israeli government don’t appear to be posting here. I wasn’t addressing holocaust inversion. I was addressing the fact that Israel’s response to criticism of its’ conduct is to shout ‘anti semitism’ to shut down the debate. But then you knew that.

Look at the quote history to see what you were responding to

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 09:45

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:27

Can I ask what you think would happen is Israel was no longer able to defend itself?

Children would be able to live?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:45

Bigfatsunandclouds · 11/05/2025 09:42

You think that means that we should effectively starve the entire population? Hamas are awful, they committed grave crimes but what Israel has done and are doing is so disproportionate and it's plain evil. Israel want to be a democracy and seen as the west as a beacon of hope in the middle east then they need to stop behaving like egomaniac dictatoral monsters, this is barbaric.

Israel doesn’t want to be a democracy, it is a democracy

Why do you think Israel are blocking air? Is it as simplistic as “Because they’re evil”?

Bigfatsunandclouds · 11/05/2025 09:45

Potsofpetals · 11/05/2025 09:39

Well said. Isreal is doing nothing more than stand its ground. These ‘civilians’ that are now ‘starving’ danced in the streets when Hamas raped and murdered innocent people.

Zero sympathy do I have. It is a lesson to each and every supporter of radical terrorists. You rape, bomb, murder. This is what will happen to you.

I'm honestly aghast at your lack of compassion, do you think the babies and children have a say in Hamas operations and celebrated? Where is your humanity?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:45

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 09:45

Children would be able to live?

Not Israeli children.

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 09:46

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JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:46

Bigfatsunandclouds · 11/05/2025 09:45

I'm honestly aghast at your lack of compassion, do you think the babies and children have a say in Hamas operations and celebrated? Where is your humanity?

No they don’t (children never do in any conflict) which is perhaps why the adults in Palestine should stop supporting Hamas, who directly contribute to their children being starved

hazelnutvanillalatte · 11/05/2025 09:48

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If anyone truly cared about dead babies, they would want to dismantle the terrorist government that is killing babies on both sides. Hamas has openly stated that they have no duty to Gazans, they just want to fulfil their ideological genocidal aims.

It is a transparent attempt to sound morally correct while supporting terrorism.

BunnyEaster · 11/05/2025 09:49

All war is horrific and shows that really humanity can't move on from violence ever. We will never forget is a bit hollow really.

I wish everyone could just get along but we clearly can't as there are wars all over the place since forever..

Also millions if not billions of people support war and others profit from war. When society breaks down we also as a species revert to disgusting behaviour. Nothing shocks me. I just feel sad which is also pointless as nothing changes. History repeats

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:49

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JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:49

hazelnutvanillalatte · 11/05/2025 09:48

If anyone truly cared about dead babies, they would want to dismantle the terrorist government that is killing babies on both sides. Hamas has openly stated that they have no duty to Gazans, they just want to fulfil their ideological genocidal aims.

It is a transparent attempt to sound morally correct while supporting terrorism.

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Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:50

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:29

I’m saying Hamas’s actions and complicity in starving their people is wrong.

Why do you think Israel is blocking aid? And what do you think of aid being stolen (as witnessed by aid workers) when it reaches Gaza? How are you going to blame Israel for that?

Called it on page one!
Its the playbook:
(1) Call antisemitism,
(2) Reference the suffering of the Jewish people during the holocaust to justify another mass murder of innocents.
(3) But Hamas…
(4) what about Sudan.
(5) it’s the Palestinians own fault they’re being being starved.
(6) It’s a nuanced/complex situation re condemning the mass starvation of a population.
(7) Need to work on critical thinking skills.

just waiting for the reference to some obscure historical treaty….

spoonbillstretford · 11/05/2025 09:51

GoodonHamzah · 11/05/2025 08:06

Surely you can see that a “general consensus” on this issue is so highly unlikely as to make your thread utterly pointless

What, you actually think there are some people who think forced starvation is a jolly good idea?