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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

564 replies

Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:50

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:47

Comparing the two is utterly offensive and antisemitic

No it’s not… do you know what antisemitism is?

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 11/05/2025 08:50

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:47

Comparing the two is utterly offensive and antisemitic

That didn't take long! Report my post did you?

Some if us see similarities. Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not reserved for one ethnic group meaning it can't be called out when it's used for another.

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 08:51

Israel = another European settler colony protecting the interests of Europe and America in the middle East.

We long ago stopped equating Zionism, a dangerous racist supremacy ideology with Judaism.

Britain is colluding in the suffering of Palestine by providing fighter jet parts, intelligence and diplomatic cover for Israel, it is shameful but not surprising.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:51

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:50

No it’s not… do you know what antisemitism is?

It really is. Deeply antisemitic.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 08:51

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:50

No it’s not… do you know what antisemitism is?

It's called holocaust inversion.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:52

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 11/05/2025 08:50

That didn't take long! Report my post did you?

Some if us see similarities. Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not reserved for one ethnic group meaning it can't be called out when it's used for another.

No I don’t do post reporting, id rather let people see things. It probably got removed because antisemtism is against MN guidelines.

absolutelyknackered100 · 11/05/2025 08:52

I am just devastated by the images coming out of Gaza. Write to your MP and demand our tax money stops arming Israel. It’s unconscionable to allow this to carry on.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:53

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 08:51

Israel = another European settler colony protecting the interests of Europe and America in the middle East.

We long ago stopped equating Zionism, a dangerous racist supremacy ideology with Judaism.

Britain is colluding in the suffering of Palestine by providing fighter jet parts, intelligence and diplomatic cover for Israel, it is shameful but not surprising.

Why is Zionism dangerous?

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:53

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:51

It really is. Deeply antisemitic.

Please explain how it is.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 08:53

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 11/05/2025 08:50

That didn't take long! Report my post did you?

Some if us see similarities. Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not reserved for one ethnic group meaning it can't be called out when it's used for another.

There's very few similarities between Gaza and the holocaust....unless you go for a very vague people are dying type comparison.

Why even mention the holocaust though? Surely you can make your point without doing do

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 08:54

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:53

Please explain how it is.

Like I said holocaust inversion. Google it.

If you don't understand why it's anti semetic then perhaps look at your own reasoning and critical thinking skills.

Lovelysummerdays · 11/05/2025 08:56

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:27

Can I ask what you think would happen is Israel was no longer able to defend itself?

I’d assume it’d be a bloodbath.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:58

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:53

Please explain how it is.

Because the Holocaust is utterly incomparable. Comparing a conflict, whereby both sides have committed criminal acts, to the mass feathering murder deportation torture and keeping in concentration camps of six million Jews is downplaying what the Jews went through. I don’t recall Hewish people being a terrorists group who raped and murdered Nazis.

If you’re actually interested in definitions of antisemitism, maybe go off the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s working definition of antisemitism - a charter and alliance that has a membership of 35 countries, including the UK holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:00

Wailing ‘antisemitism’ no longer shuts down debate or discussion of this issue, the world is past that, it doesn’t work anymore.
I note you can’t answer the OP’s question, says everything really.

Nominative · 11/05/2025 09:01

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:27

Can I ask what you think would happen is Israel was no longer able to defend itself?

How is starving civilians a defence tactic?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:01

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:00

Wailing ‘antisemitism’ no longer shuts down debate or discussion of this issue, the world is past that, it doesn’t work anymore.
I note you can’t answer the OP’s question, says everything really.

No one is trying to shut down discussion, but antisemitism should always be called out, even when you want people to STFU and agree with you.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:01

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:00

Wailing ‘antisemitism’ no longer shuts down debate or discussion of this issue, the world is past that, it doesn’t work anymore.
I note you can’t answer the OP’s question, says everything really.

Why use the word "wailing"? Is it an attempt to make us look hysterical? This is a forum where we are writing....what makes you think we're wailing it?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:02

Nominative · 11/05/2025 09:01

How is starving civilians a defence tactic?

I didn’t say it was. I was challenging the notion that disarming Israel is a peaceful solution.

BlondiePortz · 11/05/2025 09:02

But everything else in war is just fine?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:03

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:01

Why use the word "wailing"? Is it an attempt to make us look hysterical? This is a forum where we are writing....what makes you think we're wailing it?

Using language like that is entirely a tool to make people look hysterical.

Chicaontour · 11/05/2025 09:03

How are we even debating this? Israel is ( and has) committing war crimes. Its genocide and ethnic cleansing. Collect8ve punishment was used as a tool against Jewish people in the holocaust and the Israelis are using it now. . There is no excuses for our inaction. We cant pretend that we dont know. We are seeing the decimation of the Palestinian people. Israel should be treated as a pariah state.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:04

Chicaontour · 11/05/2025 09:03

How are we even debating this? Israel is ( and has) committing war crimes. Its genocide and ethnic cleansing. Collect8ve punishment was used as a tool against Jewish people in the holocaust and the Israelis are using it now. . There is no excuses for our inaction. We cant pretend that we dont know. We are seeing the decimation of the Palestinian people. Israel should be treated as a pariah state.

What were the Jews being punished for in ww2?

Langdale3 · 11/05/2025 09:05

As a war tactic, it’s utterly wrong and the UN is right to condemn it, wherever it is deployed. Feel sick to my stomach about it.

Doing something constructive with people who feel the same is a good antidote to feeling angry and helpless. I support Mothers Manifesto a group of mums who are campaigning for sanctions to be applied to any governments breaking international law by restricting access to food and imposing starvation on civilian populations.

MOTHERS MANIFESTO - Manifesto

MOTHER’S MANIFESTO FOR CHANGE A CALL TO ACTION ON FOOD INSECURITY

https://www.mothermanifesto.com/manifesto

MaloryJones · 11/05/2025 09:06

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MoiMoiMoiMoi · 11/05/2025 09:06

Hamas was confiscating and selling the aid for high price to fund their war...
Sadly one, who would really want to, could argue that this is not starvation of population but starvation of terrorist organisation funds...
(not agreeing with the blockade, but it's not as simple as baddies vs goodies)