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DH and MIL blindsided me with weekend away - was I wrong to kick off

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BeccaBoo9 · 09/05/2025 20:47

I gave birth a few months ago (first time Mum) and have found it extremely challenging but rewarding too. It has strained mine and DH’s relationship slightly in terms of the sleepless nights but we expected that and no one has crossed the line in terms of comments.

There has been little to no intimacy since the birth mainly due to me, DH is still up for it but I’ve told him I need some time to build up my confidence again.

One thing I’ve always been clear on to DH is that I don’t feel ready to leave our DC with someone else overnight yet.

Last Saturday, his MIL turned up at ours out of the blue. She told me she’d booked DH and I a night away at a country hotel and that she’d look after our DC. She said it was only a 30 minute drive so we were still relatively close by.

I really didn’t want to go but felt awkward to decline and pressurised into going. We packed and set off, I told DH I felt uncomfortable and that if I didn’t feel up to staying after the meal, I’d want to go home without staying.

When we checked in, DH told me he had got me a present and had a bag behind his back. In this was a skimpy outfit and he said it was for me to wear that night. Now he knows that has never been my thing and the outfit in question was at least a size too small, there’s no way I’d have got in to it (irrelevant as I didn’t feel comfortable).

Anyway, we ended up coming home after the meal as I was a mess and my MIL looked extremely unimpressed when we turned up.

We’ve had several rows about it this week, I’ve really had a go at him for going behind my back and doing this. He called me an ungrateful cow earlier and stormed out so I don’t have a clue where he is now (the pub, probably)

OP posts:
BlueGantry · 10/05/2025 09:50

OP, I feel for you. You obviously have considered “his point of view” hence asking the question. I don’t have to be a mum to see that YANBU in any way shape or form.

Some of us mean well in trying to support a new-mum relative or friend, but get a bit blinkered by what we want out of the interaction, and as a proud and loving Uncle Gantry, I’ve learned from my sisters and friends along that way. But there’s accidentally treading on toes and then there’s knowingly going against someone’s wishes and needs when they are at a vulnerable and exhausting time:

A well meaning person might, from the best of intentions, wonder whether it would be helpful to give an exhausted new mum a break by “getting away” from parenting her baby for a short break. Sometimes that can help, IF it’s what SHE WANTS. If this sort of idea comes to mind, the thing to do would be to ask the new mum. Don’t assume, ask. If she declines that form of assistance, her response is to be respected. In this case the answer is an unequivocal No thanks.

She is entirely within her rights to decline such an offer. Meaning that if she doesn’t want to, that’s a reasoned and reasonable response. Meaning, also, that she can say “no thanks” without feeling indebted or beholden for your intentions. The logical and loving next step would be to offer something else, and by all means with their input on what would help or be fun for new mum. It doesn’t have to be a complete surprise or a one off grand gesture.

If you, knowing she doesn’t want it, make elaborate arrangements for 2 things that she doesn’t want to happen, both of which are quite big deals, then any “bother” or trouble that you take is entirely on you. She doesn’t have to feel extra grateful for you in how much time effort or expense you took in arranging to override her preferences.

She absolutely does not have to resign herself to drawing on her almost-empty battery, to show “appreciation” by going against her own wishes and needs, and this would even apply if you’d cooked a meal made of ingredients she doesn’t like. Let alone getting out of her comfort zone (ā 30 min drive away from the baby she did not want to leave), then actively into a discomfort zone (clothing that is not made for comfort, even in the correct size), and expecting her to go along with it out of gratitude.

The meaning well, the thoughtfulness, the going to “all the bother” - none of this counts for anything any more if the man has a tantrum that she doesn’t just go along with it out of “appreciation”.

But on the subject of good intentions, then it bears repeating as many of the MNs have on here, so eloquently, that this mum needs to be listened to and supported. The issue here is that both of the forms of “support” thrust upon @BeccaBoo9 were (at best) misguided, because not only did they go against what she said, but both of them involved getting something from her. MIL wanted @BeccaBoo9 to give away a share of her limited and precious bonding time with baby. DH wanted @BeccaBoo9 to expend her limited energies and attentions on pleasing him. For a tired and overstimulated new mum, these are big asks. Here it was one big ask and then another. If she isn’t up for that, it’s not for either of them, or anyone else, to tell her that she should want to be.

MIL, dear lady, if your offer of help is contingent on you getting exclusive time with that baby, then it comes with strings attached. DH, mate, seriously. If organising a night away was a means of hurrying along access to the sex that she’s told you she’s not ready for, then it comes with strings attached.

Neither of these was a purely selfless offer for which she should feel grateful or beholden or feel obliged to have semi-consensual sex in uncomfortable clothes. As a man I would be horrified. Horrified. If I thought a woman was reluctantly summoning her last bit of goodwill to have sex with me.

She is totally within her rights to decline.

She was gracious and brave in going for the meal; she stood her ground and wisely said she would see how she felt. That’s more than enough appreciation; more than enough seeing of his point of view.

So, OP, as many of the more experienced commenters have said here - and I could not agree more - the fact that his reaction to learning that his Grand Gesture wasn’t the kind of support you need, was to disappear down the pub, tells you all you need to know. He removed himself from you and from any household chores and all of the nappy and caring tasks that needed to be done during that time.

I think the great MNs on here are bang on when they say, write your POV down, give it to him, and refer him to that.

(This was a long response; I follow MN AIBU content mostly for something non parental but I have learned so much here on what to do (and not) when being part of someone’s village, and this situation resonated with how I’ve seen “help” offered in the past.)

PinkBobby · 10/05/2025 09:52

I’m sorry OP, that must’ve felt so awful to hear. I hope you have people around you to give you a big hug. I’m going to repeat that you are not being unfair here and despite the jab re his ex, it’s making perfect sense why they didn’t last a year post baby.

Trying to guilt or force someone into sex is coercion - that’s a form of abuse. Asking for an open marriage because his mates at the pub said he should shows such emotional immaturity. If you can afford it, tell him you need to see a couples therapist together. If he continues to try and suggest sex or scare you into it (by threatening cheating or open marriages), calmly remind him that that is abusive behaviour. Remind him that if he is missing spending time with you, you’re always open to connecting emotionally and maybe that will make you will feel more like sex. Other things that will help you feel like sex are being an excellent dad and helping without being asked.

Since having a baby, it blows my mind how quickly women adapt and how much we are capable of whilst so many men are still trying to work out when the next shag it. Not all men, of course. But a lot. It’s just so basic when we’re over here growing humans, reading about what’s best for them and just generally keeping them alive. You are incredible.

lessglittermoremud · 10/05/2025 09:56

Crikey, I thought he was a self absorbed thoughtless idiot before the update, and now I’m speechless.
An open relationship?! Jeez, I think I would be considering how to move forward on my own.
My first birth was horrendous, 3rd degree tears and episiostomy wound/stitches, if at 5 months after my DH had suggested an open relationship until I was fully back into the swing of things I would have been heartbroken, I don’t think I would have been able to get past it, even if I could have forgiven the pressurised hotel visit and slinky number for bed.
Im assuming he didn’t behave like a total twat before the baby came along, he’s being appalling…
I hope the poster who was on his side before and giving us a blokes view has read your update and is just as horrified.

GoodCharl · 10/05/2025 10:00

Wow this is terrible. The expectation that you were 100% in his eyes going to be up to it is giving me the sex pest vibes! The absolute icing on the cake- a skimpy, not even your size, outfit for you to wear too. Ffs watch this one as he will be pleading every other day, “its his right/your his wife, theres something wrong with you, your having an affair, you must be getting it from somewhere, your promised you would earlier today etc etc” been there done that with one of these

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 10/05/2025 10:06

Isabellivi · 10/05/2025 09:21

if my man didn’t want to have sex with me for 3 months I would feel unloved and rejected. I understand post partum body can be difficult to adjust but what if he was the one refusing her sex for 3 months? and she felt undesirable and depressed. All the mums would be telling her how awful he is for not sleeping with her , he’s probably cheating, leave him, etc etc

So a woman who is recovering from childbirth can’t expect love and understanding from her husband because his need for sex comes first?
He’s asked her for an open marriage until she feels ‘up for it again’, do you honestly believe that is the action of a loving, supportive husband? I pity you if the bar you set for yourself is so low that you would put up with that.

PinkBobby · 10/05/2025 10:11

ThatDaringEagle · 10/05/2025 05:49

I'm a guy & a proud & loving father, and I consider some of the reactions to this post ridiculously over the top, tbh.

Firstly, from a guy's pof what did DH do?. He took the initiative to book a nice romantic night away, with his post natal partner, to get away from baby for 1 night. He arranged the child's grandmother to look after baby, which was considerate to all imho. And he bought some sexy underwear as he probably thought it may help himself & his OH to get back feeling sexy & help revive relations between them on their only night away for maybe the past 6-8 months!. And that's it!!

I think he was actually trying to be quite thoughtful & considerate tbh.

I fully accept that this may not have been what is OH wanted at this juncture, but all he was probably trying to do was to encourage her maybe to get to the next stage. Was that really all that terrible?....

So he was a little previous & possibly the underwear was a step too far, but so what?

OP you're fully entitled to react to that initiative by your OH whatever way you like, but fwiw I think you should chat to him and say while you really appreciated the gesture, and the organising it was all just a little too soon for you. AND then, leave it at that!!

P.s. some of the reactions here are so angry, over reactive and OTT as to be completely unhelpful & counterproductive imho.

E.g. Do not book something you know your OH world hate to make your point. That's just vindictive, self justifying, expensive, folly and will only damage your relationship going forward. It's probably suggested by posters on here who have either none, unhappy or very one sided relationships with their partners imho.

P.p.s try to think positively about this whole experience e.g. that months or years from now both of ye will be able to laugh at each other's thinking and reactions, and how what your OH thought you would like was just like a really awkward moment of couple misunderstanding for you...

I'd share this thought with him too, it might help him see the lighter side of all of this after going to all the bother of booking a night away, organising his mother to stay over & babysit , and probably building himself up for reviving relations between the pair of ye.... only to see it all blow up in his face!!
(OH the joys of fatherhood!!:)) )

Good luck!

I think you should read all of OP’s posts about the situation and then reevaluate this post/your thoughts on how this man is treating his wife. She specifically said she didn’t go away and leave her baby and he ignored that. He has since stormed off to the pub, told her that his ex had sex very soon after birth and suggested opening the marriage whilst she’s not in the mood. He has since used guilt and pressure to try and have sex and that is abusive behaviour. There are MANY MANY ways to tell your partner you miss them, that you miss intimacy, that you want to spend time together that are gentle and kind and loving. I’m not denying that he gets to feel all these things and communicate them to his wife even a few weeks after birth. But this is not what he is doing. He totally ignored her wishes, compared her to an ex to make her feel guilty and then asked to sleep around.

I don’t think she does have to appreciate the gesture or thank him and I certainly don’t think she will look back and laugh at this situation. Women remember how they are treated in those early days. I’m not saying this is relationship ending but I do believe she will always remember this experience painfully.

Finally and kindly, as loving and amazing as you may be as a father, you will never understand post partum and the impact it has on women physically and mentally, so if a scenario comes up and load of women who have been through it tell you it’s completely out of order, I would probably see that as overwhelming evidence that it’s a bigger deal than you think it is. I’m sure you’re a great dad and I’m all for supporting dads through post partum - it is incredible hard for them too for lots of reasons but I think in this situation you need to reflect on his actions aren’t just a little innocent slip up.

PinkBobby · 10/05/2025 10:18

Isabellivi · 10/05/2025 09:21

if my man didn’t want to have sex with me for 3 months I would feel unloved and rejected. I understand post partum body can be difficult to adjust but what if he was the one refusing her sex for 3 months? and she felt undesirable and depressed. All the mums would be telling her how awful he is for not sleeping with her , he’s probably cheating, leave him, etc etc

What if your parter had just had surgery on his penis and it hurt? Would you show empathy and understanding that it wasn’t all about your needs? I’m sure you would.

I agree - if you suddenly withhold sex in a relationship for months, you have a right to feel put out and upset. But this isn’t what’s happening. Everything about OP’s life has shifted and she just needs a partner to support and listen to her. Of course he is entitled to feelings and frustrations and they could’ve had a really calm and sensitive discussion about it together. But he has approached this in a totally inappropriate way.

PetGala · 10/05/2025 10:23

Gosh, this thread is so vitriolic

MsDDxx · 10/05/2025 10:32

Iwilladmit · 09/05/2025 20:53

Why is it the “right point”?
surely the right time to leave a baby is when a parent feels ready to, not when someone (anyone) else decides it’s time.

Exactly - I would not have been able to leave my baby at 2 months, 4 or 5.

LightDrizzle · 10/05/2025 10:38

Next stop will be massage parlours. He’s getting support from his mother and his knuckle-dragging mates for the narrative that you should be “giving him” sex and you are refusing, so you are not keeping up the end of the “deal”. Who could blame him for looking elsewhere? 🙄

Men like that encourage each other because if they behave like that as outliers there is the kernel of doubt that they might actually be sleazy shitbags but if Josh, Ollie and Tom belong to the What goes on tour stays on tour mindset then they are just Everyman aren’t they?

He’s not a good man. After a baby lots of thing can be a bit shit for a while, mainly sleep, which massively affects everything else. For the mother there is also recovery from birth injuries, feeling touched out due to having an a dependent infant, aching boredom, readjustment to a radically different life and identity change, loss of sex drive due to any of the above. Fathers have a similar list but usually shorter and less intense if they are working as they get to shit and piss in peace, have adult conversations, eat and drink without interruption while at work. Most women who have experienced maternity leave and then gone back to work agree that work it a picnic by comparison (not necessarily the juggling required to get there).

A decent bloke doesn’t pressure and just sticks to having a wank, I assume, knowing that there is good reason for the drought and like everything else, this too shall pass. This one isn’t a decent bloke and he is actually angry that you aren’t having sex with him even though you don’t want to yet. He’d happily have sex with you don’t really want it. Would you go ahead with fucking your husband even though an illness or the treatment for it meant he really wasn’t up for it?

Gettingbysomehow · 10/05/2025 11:02

I've suddenly remembered why I can't tolerate being with a man any more. I intend on being single forever.

PinkBobby · 10/05/2025 11:05

PetGala · 10/05/2025 10:23

Gosh, this thread is so vitriolic

It is indeed. It’s like women are still a little bit bored of being treated so badly by their other halves and are demanding they do better, especially after they have grown and birthed a child. Totally inappropriate actions by men really do bring out the worst in women…

Deckings · 10/05/2025 11:11

PetGala · 10/05/2025 10:23

Gosh, this thread is so vitriolic

You're correct.

There is a real undertone of Coercive Sex from the OP's partner, aided by his mother.
Absolutely disgusting.

Coercive Sex is rape.
I hope the OP realises it.

LoveIndubitably · 10/05/2025 11:16

Isabellivi · 10/05/2025 09:19

Men feel love and connection through sex. I can understand not wanting to but it’s not like he’s weird for wanting sex with you! 3 months is a long time. In his shoes wouldn’t you feel rejected and unloved? I know I would if my man didn’t want to have sex for 3 months

It's not weird to want sex.
As you well know, the problem is coercing your partner into sex after birth and doing other things they have made clear they do not want to do or are not comfortable with.

it's dishonest to deliberately pretend this thread is about not wanting sex.

Scentedjasmin · 10/05/2025 11:28

It's not often that I tell someone to LTB, as I'm more measured than most. But these is one of those occasions. Your partner has shown you no respect. You are a new mother with a baby. You are a person with feelings and not a sex toy. He has acted extremely selfishly and not remotely in your or your baby's interests.

He has been raised to be entitled by his mother, whom quite frankly is also bat shit for thinking it wholly acceptable to dump this 'surprise' upon you. She selfishly just wants to play babies for a night.

For your partner to then spend the evening at the pub leaving you alone with your baby further demonstrates his immaturity and selfishness. If he wanted greater intimacy, he should be allowing you most rest.

For him to compare you with his ex is abhorrent. She was 20 and therefore almost certainly unable to stand her ground. The fact that he has suggested an open relationship is disgusting. It is him trying to exert his needs over yours. It's a threat..."if you don't give me sex, i'll have to go elsewhere and how would you feel about that?!". The man is controlling and selfish and very very immature. He's acting like a whiny child. He knows full well that you would not agree to an open relationship. If he is remotely serious, which i doubt it, then he doesn't give a toss about your relationship and more importantly, providing a loving stable home for your child. I couldn't remain with any man who didn't put his own children above all else.

If you are minded to give this leech a second chance, then be absolutely clear. He either shows you some respect, apologies sincerely and steps up to the plate, or he will be the one out on his arse. You can move back to be closer to your parents.

thepariscrimefiles · 10/05/2025 11:36

PetGala · 10/05/2025 10:23

Gosh, this thread is so vitriolic

Well you think that OP's husband was being kind and thoughtful so your judgement is pretty poor.

Women commenting on this thread are rightly appalled at OP's husband's behaviour. Maybe posting on some 'menz rights' forums would be more to your taste and you'd receive more supportive responses from people who think that men are owed sex.

MellowCritic · 10/05/2025 11:38

ButteredRadish · 10/05/2025 09:14

Don’t be so utterly dramatic! Talk about an overreaction. It’s shitty what they did, yes but crying!? 🤣

I think the poster was just trying to highlight how frustrating it is to read this stuff and it really is. I don't think the poster is actually sitting there crying. 😕

menopausalfart · 10/05/2025 11:40

If he can't go without sex for a few months without thinking of going elsewhere, he doesn't think very highly of you. You deserve so much better.

Scentedjasmin · 10/05/2025 11:42

The 'Daring Eagle' has spoken ladies! He has very generously mansplained why the OP should apologise to her chap and be appreciative of his considerate gesture!!
He's qualified to tell us this because he is, by his own assessment 'a great dad'. No doubt he rates himself as an exemplary husband too.

C8H10N4O2 · 10/05/2025 11:43

MellowCritic · 10/05/2025 11:38

I think the poster was just trying to highlight how frustrating it is to read this stuff and it really is. I don't think the poster is actually sitting there crying. 😕

I agree. However considering some of the things on here which leave posters “crying and shaking” I’d say that being coerced by two people you should be able to trust entirely into leaving your baby for a night of male fantasy serving sex is closer to justifying tears than most.

Its plain from the description that this was entirely about him and his wants with zero thought for the woman with whom he has chosen to have a child. I’d struggle to get a relationship back on track after that kind of loss of trust, largely because it tells you so much about the man.

MellowCritic · 10/05/2025 11:48

C8H10N4O2 · 10/05/2025 11:43

I agree. However considering some of the things on here which leave posters “crying and shaking” I’d say that being coerced by two people you should be able to trust entirely into leaving your baby for a night of male fantasy serving sex is closer to justifying tears than most.

Its plain from the description that this was entirely about him and his wants with zero thought for the woman with whom he has chosen to have a child. I’d struggle to get a relationship back on track after that kind of loss of trust, largely because it tells you so much about the man.

I agree and at the risk of sounding unhinged .. reading that last post about asking for an open marriage had me fuming. It's not even about me, i don't know these ppl, we don't even know if these posts are real (I'm talking in general not about op) but yet I can't help but want to find this man and tell him about himself and then head over to his mums house to tell her what I think as well. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

wizzywig · 10/05/2025 11:50

Wonder if someone caught his eye at the pub

Imisscoffee2021 · 10/05/2025 12:06

BeccaBoo9 · 10/05/2025 08:30

He eventually turned up at gone 11 last night so obviously stayed in the pub for closing as he was pissed.

He blurted out a question about whether I’d consider an open relationship until I’m feeling up to it. When I told him to fuck off he backtracked and said he told ‘them’ it would be a stupid idea and he didn’t mean it. So someone put him up to it.

Thanks for the many supportive comments last night, I am going to go back through and read the past few pages.

Jesus. My husband and I have a two year old and have maybe been intimate 10 times since he was born for a variety of factors, and not once has he made me feel guilty nor I him, or pressured me etc.

To continue pressuring you like that is so shit, is he an animal that he needs to satisfy some primordial urge or is he a rational, loving husband who can have am orgasm by himself for the time being 'til you're ready??!! Does he not see that this will not make you want intimacy with him!?

spicemaiden · 10/05/2025 12:17

This is a LTB - selfish childish nasty man

LurkyMcLurkinson · 10/05/2025 12:41

BeccaBoo9 · 10/05/2025 08:30

He eventually turned up at gone 11 last night so obviously stayed in the pub for closing as he was pissed.

He blurted out a question about whether I’d consider an open relationship until I’m feeling up to it. When I told him to fuck off he backtracked and said he told ‘them’ it would be a stupid idea and he didn’t mean it. So someone put him up to it.

Thanks for the many supportive comments last night, I am going to go back through and read the past few pages.

Ick!
As if his lack of understanding about the trauma of birth, the recovery following a birth and the toll on mother’s when it comes to parenting wasn’t bad enough, he then had recruit his mother as a fellow sex pest and now he’s either so pathetic he can’t go without for a few months, or he’s talking about open relationships to pressure you in to sex. He’s really not doing himself any favours is he. He sounds like an absolute pest/creep. I’d be telling him that after how he’s behaved I’d be surprised if I ever fancied him or wanted sex again.