To ask someone to explain the India / Pakistan situation please?

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/06/pakistan-india-attacks-kashmir-live-updates

I tend to keep an eye on the news but haven't seen any mainstream reporting recently about tensions between India and Pakistan getting to the point of military conflict.

I'm going to dig around a bit to try and get a better understanding but I know there are knowledgeable types on here who might have some insight, and I think it's worrying and feel very sorry for the inevitable civilian casualties.

Not going to try and pretend I can do better than these (at all!), but I think worth noting that at the time of partition (which as stated was handled incredibly badly!) the population was about 85% Hindu and 12% Muslim, so not the case that 50% of the population were suddenly “given” a disproportionately small amount of land which these otherwise may read like

Indeed. As I stated.
And only about 17% of the Muslim population went to Pakistan. Therefore, they got less land

This is about Islamic terrorism..Nothing else.

The divvy up of land was based on the existing demographics of the time

Trump has announced a bigly ceasefire.

And both India and Pakistan have agreed.

For now. Until the next terror attack.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwy3jnl3nvwt

It's not entirely unthinkable , that the initial 22 April attack (sky news reported that one of the attackers told the survivors, "you go and tell your leaders about this") was uh, a negotiation tactic in helping to secure the £1bn bailout and £1.4bn loan in terms of evening up the stakes.

Giving £1bn to a nation rapidly descending the ranks of transparency and mired in corruption? Tough sell.

Paying £1bn to avert a nuclear war with de-escalation as a condition of payment? No brainer.

Va! Trebles all round!

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Gist:

This 'May', the world watched in shock as India and Pakistan clashed in a skirmish that escalated far beyond expectations. Then came a shocking twist—former U.S. President Donald Trump took to Truth Social and announced a full and immediate ceasefire, claiming the U.S. had brokered peace. But what really happened behind the scenes? And why are Indian citizens now questioning everything? In this episode of Info Safari, Harrison Blackwell breaks down how Pakistan’s military dismantled key Indian defense sites, including the supposedly invincible S-400 system and BrahMos missile installations. We reveal how India’s media spun the narrative, what India truly lost in this conflict, and why this could be the most humiliating moment in India’s modern military history. As BJP leaders celebrated with nationalistic fervor, the economic, diplomatic, and military damages piled up. Was this war really about defense—or just political distraction? And did Pakistan just expose India’s military vulnerabilities to the entire world?

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Why Every BJP Crisis Ends in a Terror Attack?

It's great that you're committed to critiquing the BJP and hindutva @BeJollyNewt , as you say you are Hindu and Indian.

There are plenty of people in Indians who think they are a bunch of chuntering fatheads. The most damning thing people say about them is that they are trying to turn India into a Hindu version of Pakistan. And the whole reason for their rise is the persistence of jihadist attacks originating in Kashmir and sponsored by Pakistan that undermined more secular forces like Congress by running rings round them.

The odd thing, though, is that you feel the need to link to so many AI generated YouTube videos that seem to have been spam commented by Chinese language and Pakistan based commenters reaffirming what a great victory for Pakistan this was, when the initial attack on 22 April is supposed to have been completely denied by the Pakistani government as having any involvement from them.

But anyway, how are those Gousto deliveries working out?

Kashmir is the bit at the very top of India. Its inhabitants are mainly Muslim.

Back in the 1840s the British (as part of a dodgy deal when conquering the Sikhs) sold it to a Hindu prince whose family ruled it up until the British left India.

When the British left in 1948 Kashmir had to decide whether to join India or Pakistan.

The Muslim inhabitants voted overwhelmingly to join Pakistan but the ruling Hindu prince decided Kashmir should join India.

The two sides have been fighting over it ever since. It's an "on-off" war that breaks out afresh ever few years.

This isn't just about Kashmir. It is about Islamic terrorism sponsored by Pakiatan, and the numerous attacks across India by terrorists on civilians.

The people some Western media call " armed gunmen" rather than what they are.

Now that the war hysteria is over, it has become imperative that we ask some important questions regarding the Pahalgam terrorist attack of 22 April 2025.

1. How did the terrorists reach Baisaran meadow in Pahalgam?
2. Why didn't the government know Baisaran meadow was open to tourists?
3. Why was there no security in Baisaran meadow?
4. Were the terrorists arrested?
5. How did the GoI know that the terrorists were from Pakistan? On what intel?
6. If the GoI had intel on the terrorists, why weren't they nabbed?
7. Who was responsible for the security lapses?
8. Who invited the USA to negotiate on an internal matter of India or a bilateral matter between India and Pakistan for the first time in the history of India thereby compromising India's sovereignty?
9. Why did Donald Trump announce the ceasefire before the GoI did?

10. Can GoI guarantee that there will be no more terrorist attacks in J & K now that terrorist training centres in Pakistan are destroyed?

Quite possibly. However, the root cause of all India and Pakistan's relationship troubles is, I maintain, the question of who owns Kashmir.

What vote?? Like a referendum? First I've heard of it. Please give more details.

There was no vote. Maharaja Hari Singh signed an agreement with Pakistan for some thinking time, but Pakistan troops attacked Kashmir, which led him to ask india for help. India agreed to send troops to help only if Kashmir acceded to india, so he did.

There were some decent explanations about partition, Midnight's Children is a nice novel about the partition moment if you want something poetic. Kashmir is truly beautiful; clear lakes and soaring mountain trails, yet troubles rumble on decade after decade. I've never met a Kashmiri who wanted fighting, the only ones I've ever met all wanted more tourism and found the bubbling conflict frustrating as a result. Unfortunately when Pakistan continues to allow Islamic terrorists to roam freely (those it funds and those it doesn't), they're going to cause trouble. Given that 26 Indians were killed on holiday in their own country, it would have been political suicide for Modi not to respond. And now it calms again for a while. Unpleasant to see that the Chinese government cyber teams are poking around with their attempts at influence online, but it's unclear if they are involved or just supportive.

People weren't with his decision, otherwise they would have fought themselves against Pakistan. King did what was beneficial to him, so now that India bought it from him to fight against it's own people and Pakistan, BJ govt put either army,or public lives at risk to progress in their elections whenever they go into crisis. So the king then and the current 'record - reply the live to address nation' king now only care about themselves.

Indian people watching the 56 inches comic under the trump remote forthe sake of Aadaani

NIA links Rs 21,000 crore Gujarath drug haul to Pahalagam attack

Those ports were under Aadaani control , Who needed Ceasefire most then ?

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/storm-screams-hailstones-indigos-8500-ftmin-drop-after-pak-refusal/ar-AA1Fl4R4?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Do any of you you think, Pakistan should have responded kindly in this instance? if they would Indians make banners saying thank you Pakistan ?

What about refusal on discussion Indus water treaty???

Modi said he would open to talk about only Kashmir and terrorism ( Though he could never dare do a live to nation).

the flight carrying more than 220 passengers, including members of parliament , lessons to learn why we should not encourage border unrest.