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To ask someone to explain the India / Pakistan situation please?

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/05/2025 23:50

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/06/pakistan-india-attacks-kashmir-live-updates

I tend to keep an eye on the news but haven't seen any mainstream reporting recently about tensions between India and Pakistan getting to the point of military conflict.

I'm going to dig around a bit to try and get a better understanding but I know there are knowledgeable types on here who might have some insight, and I think it's worrying and feel very sorry for the inevitable civilian casualties.

Kashmir crisis: Pakistan says it is retaliating to India’s ‘act of war’ – live

Pakistani PM calls India’s missile attack on Pakistan and Pakistan-administered Kashmir ‘cowardly’; defence minister says ‘We are in the process of retaliating’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/06/pakistan-india-attacks-kashmir-live-updates

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User46576 · 08/05/2025 11:28

EasternStandard · 08/05/2025 07:22

Where are they based?

And who supports them?

LoveLifeBeHappy · 08/05/2025 11:28

BeJollyNewt · 07/05/2025 19:36

If you are women , be grateful british ruled and brought education to non brahmins and women especially. yes Indians suffered under british ruling but also got educated, they united us as one country , they build transport network (for whatever reason) and dams.

That’s a very concise answer and really deserves its own thread.

While the British did introduce education and build transport networks in India, these developments were primarily designed to serve their own economic and administrative interests, not to uplift the Indian population.

User46576 · 08/05/2025 11:31

BeJollyNewt · 07/05/2025 12:00

It is not relegious attack, attack against Indian tourists in kashmir. There could be an istance asked for relegian as majority of Indians are hindu. few war magering hindutva Indians want to rely on these comments

It’s an Islamist terror attack. Yet another one. The Pakistani government has form for supporting these organizations

User46576 · 08/05/2025 11:31

LoveLifeBeHappy · 08/05/2025 11:28

That’s a very concise answer and really deserves its own thread.

While the British did introduce education and build transport networks in India, these developments were primarily designed to serve their own economic and administrative interests, not to uplift the Indian population.

Regardless of the intention of them, the effect is clear

LoveLifeBeHappy · 08/05/2025 12:04

TempestTost · 07/05/2025 19:33

I mean - the groups that murder each other in Africa now were for the most part doing so before the "colonial lines" were drawn.I think it's pretty naive to think that drawing them differently would have changed that.

I'm not sure about Africa, but when it comes to India, the British Empire bears significant responsibility for the horrors of Partition.

While local political tensions were certainly a factor, the British played a central role in creating, fuelling, and then disastrously mishandling the transition to independence.

The borders they drew led directly to one of the largest mass migrations in human history. Sir Cyril Radcliffe—a British lawyer who had never been to India and had no real understanding of the region—was given just five weeks to divide a vast and diverse land.

The result was arbitrary lines that split communities, villages, and families.

An estimated two million people were killed, many in brutal communal riots. Women were especially vulnerable—tens of thousands were raped, abducted, or forced into marriage. Families were shattered, and countless people lost their homes, their loved ones, and their sense of belonging.

The hasty British withdrawal, combined with poor planning and a lack of accountability, divide-and-rule policies, created the perfect conditions for a humanitarian disaster.

Partition may have produced two independent nations, but it also left behind a legacy of pain, violence, and deep division that still echoes nearly 80 years later.

BeJollyNewt · 08/05/2025 12:51

Shall we get back pakisthan and bangladesh back? may be afghanisthan as well and let british know how happy we all together can be ? whom we are questioning here ? Are you worried about innocents on both sides of the border in the current conflict?

Have you ever questioned BJP government on any conflict ? do you agree the same if normal public in pakisthan also has nothing to do with it. It is okay to blame Pak govt with proofs, but be empathetic with the children died on both sides in yesterday's attacks.

Why there was red carpet when home minister visited after terrorist attack in Kashmere? he should deny it atleast?What is happening in kashmere, why people over there should rely only on tourists ,than having good education and get into good careers ?

Lalgarh · 08/05/2025 13:26

How did the Gousto delivery work out, by the way@BeJollyNewt ?

Lalgarh · 08/05/2025 13:58

Not sure I follow?

TheCurious0range · 08/05/2025 14:18

I posted this on another thread but there was a very good episode of the briefing room on radio 4 last Thursday which gave quite a balanced history, it finished with the message that further conflict was likely, I don't think they could've predicted just how soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002bj77

BBC Radio 4 - The Briefing Room, Are India and Pakistan on the brink of war over Kashmir?

Tension between India and Pakistan rises following the killing of tourists in Kashmir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002bj77

BeJollyNewt · 08/05/2025 18:15

Lalgarh · 08/05/2025 13:58

Not sure I follow?

What about this old news :

Lashkar Terrorist Caught, Was Jammu BJP's Minority Morcha IT Cell Chief

Abitlosttoday · 08/05/2025 19:09

The News Agents podcast (Emily Matlis and co) did an explainer episode today or yesterday. Quite helpful. It's all about Kashmir. I got quite confused but I am tired!😂

JaneFondue · 08/05/2025 19:48

What a lot of obfuscation and incoherent babbling on this thread.
Anyway, here's the Guardian on Lashkar- E- Taiba- the group that has claimed responsibility for the massacre- and its links with Pakistan. It's not written by Narendra Modi.
Pakistan and the LET

TinkerTailorSoldier · 09/05/2025 09:14

There is a lot of fake news out there. This is as much a war of misinformation from pak, as guns and missiles. There has not been any air battle between aircraft- India has only used drones and missiles. Pak aircraft in Indian territory were shot down by surface to air missiles.
Some of the mainstream media in India ie Times of India, NDTV, Indian Express are held to higher journalistic standards, so are more reliable. Others in India either operate on "whoever shares more drama wins", or they just repost articles from elsewhere without verifying accuracy. The Pakistani newspapers have of course denoted the terrorists as civilians and their army has given them state funerals

Mencara · 09/05/2025 09:36

I’m so sick of people framing this conflict as Muslims and Hindus unable to get on. It’s incredibly racist. “Idiot brown people too backward to be able to get on”. Give me a break!

Pakistan has REPEATEDLY funded terrorist attacks against India. India has pursued a policy of restraint and focus, choosing to prioritise economic development over getting mired in hostile rhetoric

Under Prime Minister Narendra Modi, this approach was particularly evident, he consistently avoided making Pakistan a talking point.

But when your country gets ATTACKED by terrorist again what is one supposed to do? Indian civilians had their genitals checked for circumcision and told to recite the Quran before being executed in front of their female relatives. Enough is enough.

India has been fighting a war on terror for decades.

India has a right to defend itself.

Mencara · 09/05/2025 09:39

Afghanis are supporting India. Bit unusual no? You’d think they’d back their Muslim neighbours. Well no, they’re sick of Pakistan backing the Taliban and terrorists too.

The Hindu vs Muslim thing does not hold much muster

Mencara · 09/05/2025 09:44

The fact remains if Pakistan had not committed a terrorist attack there would have been no “escalation”.

Very disturbing the number of people in the world
who will sympathise with terrorists in this day and age. All of a sudden killing innocent people can be justified. Saw it with Oct 8 and I see it now with India/Pakistan.

This is an issue of Islamic extremism. Not dumb brown people who can’t get on. How infantilising.

Why is Ukraine/Russia not framed as such? Or US with basically any ME country?

BiddyPopthe2nd · 09/05/2025 09:48

Must make time to read this thread properly

user0707106 · 09/05/2025 09:49

How China helped Pakistan shoot down Indian fighter jets

That is a photograph of a disposable aircraft fuel tank (drop tank). It is normal for aircraft to release these tanks in combat situations. It doesn’t necessarily mean the aircraft was shot down.

Trickydelivery · 09/05/2025 09:51

Aren’t Netanyahu and Modi allies? That makes me nervous about this conflict. These kinds of men in position of power do not want peace. Modi is dangerous.

TinkerTailorSoldier · 09/05/2025 09:53

BeJollyNewt · 08/05/2025 18:15

What about this old news :

Lashkar Terrorist Caught, Was Jammu BJP's Minority Morcha IT Cell Chief

FFS! You need to take a break with your agenda. There was 1 guy who joined the party - anyone can join a political party, whether its the BJP in India or the Labour Party in the UK. He managed to get a job as a social media manager, because obviously a terrorist was able to hide his criminal links to infiltrate. That's what spies do - if you don't want to read facts, atleast go read some Tom Clancy books.
People found out, caught him, he's been arrested.

TinkerTailorSoldier · 09/05/2025 09:55

Trickydelivery · 09/05/2025 09:51

Aren’t Netanyahu and Modi allies? That makes me nervous about this conflict. These kinds of men in position of power do not want peace. Modi is dangerous.

Dangerous because he is a strong leader who isn't going to sit back and let Pakistan and terrorists have their way in India? Yep, that's Dangerous, all right.

JaneFondue · 09/05/2025 09:56

Trickydelivery · 09/05/2025 09:51

Aren’t Netanyahu and Modi allies? That makes me nervous about this conflict. These kinds of men in position of power do not want peace. Modi is dangerous.

Do you think the Lashkar- E- Taiba wants peace?
Or Iran?

BeJollyNewt · 09/05/2025 10:02

TinkerTailorSoldier · 09/05/2025 09:53

FFS! You need to take a break with your agenda. There was 1 guy who joined the party - anyone can join a political party, whether its the BJP in India or the Labour Party in the UK. He managed to get a job as a social media manager, because obviously a terrorist was able to hide his criminal links to infiltrate. That's what spies do - if you don't want to read facts, atleast go read some Tom Clancy books.
People found out, caught him, he's been arrested.

There was a context to that particular poster. If you give benifit of doubt for one party, should be given same for other party in another country.

One young army man from lower ranks (who belong to my place) died in yesterdays attacks. only poor and backward class people in army loose their life in wars in India. wealthy nationalists never make it to army front.

Indian army do what it supposed to do in the conflict, why bhakths start PR events in that too ?