To ask someone to explain the India / Pakistan situation please?

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/06/pakistan-india-attacks-kashmir-live-updates

I tend to keep an eye on the news but haven't seen any mainstream reporting recently about tensions between India and Pakistan getting to the point of military conflict.

I'm going to dig around a bit to try and get a better understanding but I know there are knowledgeable types on here who might have some insight, and I think it's worrying and feel very sorry for the inevitable civilian casualties.

They forcing not to buy from muslims , so that they can starve.

That’s certainly an interesting way to put it. What’s actually happening is that many Indians are choosing not to economically support a state that has repeatedly sponsored terrorism and attacks against their country. It’s not about religion, it’s about national security and standing against violence. When innocent lives are taken, choosing where your money goes becomes a matter of principle.

If only Pakistan's supporters put half as much energy into confronting terrorism as they do into justifying it or attacking India’s restrained, lawful responses. It’s telling that more outrage is directed at boycotts than at the terror attacks that caused them.

Stop killing innocent Indians, the boycott will end.

But once again boycotts against Israel are totally legitimate but not against Pakistan. The hypocrisy.

Why you want to starve muslims in India for some terrorists act from another country ? doesn't it put India too in the path of Pakisthan?

I thought you were talking about the boycotts of Pakistani products

The localised and sporadic boycotting of Muslim owned shops/services in India is not backed by govt policy. It’s not right and it’s certainly not widespread.

PM himself spread the hatred by claiming those people ate chicken in sacred month of november !!!!

Which party PM belonged to ? The same hindu's who eat meat rest of the months is brainwashed to hate others who are not so relegious about chicken , again they influenced my family too !

Still not official policy.

How many non-Muslims live in Pakistan again?

Netanyahu said India is the only country where Jews have not faced anti-semitism. Sikhs and Christians (for the most part) are able to live quite happily in India.

You need to touch grass. This is so far from removed the main issues at hand. I think you need to deactivate twitter. You are very stuck in the weeds.

Hindutva bhakths doesn't need policy, they fallow the words of their leader and isolate, taunt and behave like foot soldiers in the society , turning country into afghanisthan .

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/allahabad/meat-shops-slaughterhouses-to-remain-closed-on-ram-navami/articleshow/119987736.cms

https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok-sabha/story/pm-modi-opposition-leaders-eating-meat-sawan-mughal-mentality-rahul-gandhi-lalu-yadav-tejashwi-2526505-2024-04-12

Netanyahu said India is the only country where Jews have not faced anti-semitism. Sikhs and Christians (for the most part) are able to live quite happily in India.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/right-wing-group-asks-hindu-vendors-boycott-halal-meat-during-ugadi-1931539-2022-03-30

Halal is grotesque.

How does this refute the statement you have quoted.

Yes we are all living together happily until this comical things came into power, since then what you eat, whom you go with and all is in hindutva control

this interview of renowned defense expert Pravin Sawhney by Karan Thapar.

Key points:

1. Indian planes were downed by Pakistan.
2. The planes were downed by the Chinese J-10 planes.
3. The reasons why the J-10s were able to do this:

3a. The J-10's radar envelope is massive because of its long nose. In other words, it sees all other planes long before they see it. 3b. The missiles the J-10 uses are the PL-15 missiles. The PL-15 missiles have a larger range than other air to air missiles. 3c. That means that your plane can be hit by a PL-15 missile launched by a J-10 before you even know the plane is there. The battle is over long before any dogfight. 3d. It's a clear case of technological superiority. 3e. There are two variants of the PL-15 missile. The export version has a 145 km range, but the PLAF (Chinese airforce) version has a range of 300 km. China recently sent a shipment of PL-15 missiles to Pakistan. It is likely that these were the longer range version. 3f. Basically, our airforce is completely outclassed.

1. Now the Pakistanis know what our aircraft can do, and they know they can beat us, so we have lost all deterrence. We cannot frighten them with our air force.
2. Now the Pakistanis will retaliate, as they did yesterday, daily: viz , they will daily launch drones and missiles at Indian cities across the border.
3. India and Pakistan have always been trading small arms fire and artillery shelling across the border daily all these years, but now that will become much more dangerous because India has now escalated things to a war. Instead of artillery fire, we will have to deal with drones and missiles every day. Recall that, just a few days ago, Pakistan received a full transport aircraft load of drones from Turkey.

Summary: Modi has just made the lives, especially of people living in north India, far more dangerous with his adventurism.
Pakistan will continue bleeding India by a thousand cuts, but now the cuts will be deeper and more painful.

https://www.youtube.com/live/bNyiToXqAD8?si=I01tKeN_43FqmDoQ

There will always be wars between nations.

As a Brit though I’m more concerned about the recent trade agreement with India. I’m worried if we have an influx of Indian nationals that we will start to have these disputes play out here. This has already happened in Canada.

I know this sounds bad but we cannot concern ourselves with conflicts in South Asia. They are as unresolvable as the Middle East. Half the people won’t even remember the original reason they started fighting. We don’t need to be involved.

No one wants to involve the UK. They are irrelevant to India. The Western centric paradigm of world politics is becoming less and less true. India does not need America or the UK’s interventions.

Agree. Well put. Pakistan is on its own path.

Why do you think this will happen, though?

Because people may bring their nationalism and generations long beef here and we don’t need or want it. In Canada recently a Sikh leader was killed by Indian nationalist expats and it caused a whole lot of chaos. We don’t want international beefs here.

Agree, But what makes you think the trade deal brings more Indians here?

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The repeated attacks and long term trolling by the Pakistani military (sorry, government) who see India as an existential threat as an "aspiring superpower" has had the upshot of pushing Pakistan to make much closer ties with... China, which actually is a super power, and which makes certain demands of its strategic partners.

I posted upthread about how oddly the day the Taliban returned was Pk independence day. The year 2021 was also HUGELY significant, marking the 50th anniversary of what was West Pakistan losing dominion over East Pakistan (Bangladesh). This was a huge wound that was felt by the ISI and had been felt keenly ever since.

Try this on the grift that was pulled by the ISI on the Americans in the War on Terror that secured billions of funding for Thier military and mysteriously failed to crack down on the PK Taliban (who shot Malala Yousafzai) or find Osama Bin Laden, who was eventually found... In Pakistan holed up next to a military barracks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001325q?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

You might be able to pull that on the Amriki, they're rubes, but will they be able to fob off China?

Someone earlier said they wanted to understand the origins of the conflict, or why terrorism or whatever it was.

You might also read up on the edict that the PK forces managed to secure from an obliging cleric that meant that if you were Bengali and Muslim, and wanted self determination for east Pakistan to not have to speak Urdu rather than Bengali, you were now, n the eyes of the West PK army, not just a seditionist, but an apostate, which unleashed not only an unprecedented scale of atrocities on the Bengali population, but was later instrumental to the development of modern jihadist philosophy.

Well, in today's back and forth, Pakistan first called a meeting of their nuclear command, then retracted it.🤔

And the IMF has given Pakistan a USD1 billion loan.🙄

Trump says they've been fighting for centuries. Quite an achievement given that one of the alleged combatants didn't even exist before 1947.

He is correct in that the disputed land has been fought over for centuries, regardless of modern borders.

Why don’t they just cut out the middle-man and send some tanks, guns and plastic explosives?