AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

Just what is your point ?

Most of the occupants of small boats did claim asylum.

Oh, so now you're a mind reader?

How about you read Starmer's mind and tell us his plans for "smashing the gangs"? He's gone a bit quiet on that one lately 🤔

'Smash the Gangs' is just another 'Stop the Boats'.

They are soundbites trying to win over right leaning voters.

Peace in the world's conflict zones is the only thing that will stop people from seeking asylum.

You said that most asylum claims came from people arriving in small boats. This is not true.

I don't actually think I did 🤔

Personally I would not vote for Reform, mainly on the basis that they are strong on sound bites but weak on substance on how they would finance or implement their policies.

That said I have enjoyed the comedy gold of the liberal left completely losing their heads over the fact that on average 31% of those voting and in some areas over 60% voted for Reform and "the wrong way" because they are all "thick or racists or far right ".

Democracy is great when you agree with the result, but when you don't agree with the results it's because of "popularism ".

Peace in the world's conflict zones is the only thing that will stop people from seeking asylum.
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But as there is unlikely to be peace between India and Pakistan, how is the UK to prevent running battles in the street? There was a month of fights in Leicester last August that left 25 police in hospital, over a cricket match. I reallY REALLY don't want to see disagreements like that happening in the UK.

If you come from an Indian or Pakistani background/heritage please come and say that none of that means anything to you.

All what you suggest would cost billions and billions and take years, on ID cards alone, the cost would be massive.

Labour is starting to crack down on illegal workers but we simply don't have the manpower to do this on any scale.

Like Reform, you don't really have any workable solutions... ie foreign prisoners, its a hand full, a few 1000.. it all sounds good but wont stop a single boat.

What i was replying to was the boat skippers, they aren't the traffickers, yes they may get reduced rates but they know nothing about the organisation.

Want is a strong word, but if you don’t want to you don’t have to.

TBH the main party suffering the most and doing the complaining about "voting the wrong way" are the Tories.

Many predicting they wont even exist in 2029, so whilst attacking the liberal left, wannabe Tories need to focus on who is their real enemy.

@jasflowers

"TBH the main party suffering the most and doing the complaining about "voting the wrong way" are the Tories"

It's true that the Tories lost more votes to Reform than Labour lost to Reform on about 2 to 1 ratio.

The challenge for the Tories is that if they try to swing to far to the right to get back Reform voters then they will lose votes from left leaning Tory voters to the LibDems. But if they stay in the mushy middle then they will continue to lose voters to Reform and to a lesser extent to the LibDems.

Similarly for Labour if they try to win back Reform voters with harder line immigration policies then the left leaning Labour voters will switch to the Greens. And again if they stay in the mushy middle then they will lose voters to both Reform and the Greens.

The Tories face the bigger challenge but Labour are also losing votes.

U.K. crime rate per 100K population for 2020 was 1.00, a 12.74% decline from 2019. U.K. crime rate per 100K population for 2018 was 1.14, a 7.19% decline from 2017. Crime has decreased year on year for the past 30 years.

Rapists are invariably white British according to crime statistics as are cases of spousal and child abuse. But hold onto your anecdotal racism and what you believe in as all the evidence will not change your mind on what you believe is true.

Yes Reform are a challenge to both main parties, but its the Conservatives that face extinction, why have Reform lite, when you can have the real thing?

So imho neither party should swing to the 'right, both need to confront Reforms unfunded & rather ridiculous policies and make the case for their own ideals.

@jasflowers

"So imho neither party should swing to the 'right, both need to confront Reforms unfunded & rather ridiculous policies and make the case for their own ideals."

Reform's unfunded and unworkable sound bite policies are exactly why I could never vote for them. But I equally recognise that most voters only care about the sound bites and not the lack of funding or detail behind them.

That said the other parties are also guilty of this: Labour "let's smash the smuggling gangs" for example.

Appreciate you re further to the right than i am but one cannot compare the promise of a £20k tax threshold with Smash the Gangs, which is one of many things that has to be done to stop x channel migration.

But you prove my point well, still criticising Labour when the real enemy, to the Tories, is Reform.

The Tories need to stop focusing on yesterdays battles and realise that Reform has the potential to see them consigned to history.

Both parties & the tory supporting media need to wake up.

No I don't and I'm quite baffled that you would want to have the opinion of someone you consider quite ignorant.

Seems illogical to me 🤔

Show me where I actually said that.

@jasflowers

"The Tories need to stop focusing on yesterday's battles and realise that Reform has the potential to see them consigned to history."

I don't disagree but what direction does the Tory party turn to? More right and the left leaning Tories will shift to LibDems, more left and more right leaning Tories will shift to Reform.

Whilst I think that Kemi Badenoch is a well meaning person (albeit a bit young), she is currently like a rabbit stuck in headlights not knowing which way to turn and currently there is a deafening silence on what exactly are the Tory party policies. And whilst this silence continues they will continue to lose voters to Reform.

I agree that Reform represents a greater threat to the Tories than Labour (about 2 to 1 in losing voters). But that's because whilst Labour may lose the ordinary working class vote to Reform they will always keep the metropolitan, latte swilling, liberal vote.

Love it! ...Latte swilling liberal vote!!! 10/10 for trying!

The Tories need to re focus on policies that work, trying to be a Reform wannabe is always going to fail.
Badenoch is out of her depth atm but she may grow into the role.

Likewise Labour need to re focus on whats best for the UK but they face an uphill battle - see the trade deals? the right wing press portray them as bad for the UK... even when Labour said they'd look again at benefits the 'press turned on them, despite the fact it desperately needs to be changed.

Re-joining the CU would be a bonus for the UK, both parties should support this but they wont, so we all suffer, likewise youth mobility.

Brexit has poisoned our politics and our country.

It is being reported on the news and in the newspapers the latest figures from the NAO/Home Office the cost of housing asylum seekers in hotels is costing the tax payer £4m per day.....that is beyond madness...numbers are at record levels.

@marshmallowmix I agree. Around 40% of asylum seekers are reported to be people who entered the UK to work, study, or simply visited on a valid visa, no claim for asylum at the time.

The whole system needs a overhaul.

The most common nationality of asylum seekers in 2024 was Pakistan. Which is only very recently on the brink of being a conflict zone.

Honestly- the whole thing is madness. We have many hotels here that are just full of asylum seekers. It’s killing the local tourist business who rely on those hotels being full of tourists, eating out and spending their money in the local economy. Instead we have groups of men hanging out on street corners behaving in an intimidating way, jeering and leering at women passing by. Reform have gained a lot of seats round here. We need to clear out the hotels. There’s one hotel in Cornwall doing very well out of telling the home office to do one.

spot on @MyHeartyCoralSnail !

Yes I saw that hotel owner in Cornwall he was on TV a few weeks ago he refused and told the HO no to taking asylum seekers...

He said it decimates the economy as tourists don't come and spend in the local area plus it puts local people out of jobs as they get rid of all hotel staff and bring their own in so big job losses for locals who worked in the hotels...shocking!

They are in tourist spots and killing the economy in those places...intimidating people I saw a woman on TT who lives in Derby an elderly woman she was being followed around and harassed they should not be here...coming from backward countries in the main. Pakistan, Iran, Syria wo don't respect females.

Several where I am wander about ogling any female they clap eyes on it is very uncomfortable.

That wellknown tourist destination, Derby. 😂