AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

It is not bias to say that women are considered “lower” than men in Islam. The Quran contains many many references to the lowly status of women - “It suggests a sequential approach: first, admonishing the wife; then, refusing to share the bed; and lastly, striking her, if other measures fail.” See also how women are largely unable to divorce their husband etc. There are parts of the UK where sharia law is becoming commonplace.

And they can receive free health care - there is no charge for the services my team provide.

@springbirdss I hope you are still lolling when Reform win the next election, or Labour see which way the wind is blowing and actually deliver what they promised, even if only to cling on to power.

Peoplw who say people fleeing from persecution because of the instability and wars caused by the US/UK and they should be concentrated in an area and put into tents is not racist. To say that climate change is not real and we should burn more fossil fuel is common sense. To blame SEN children on bad parenting and wanting to cut all aid to SEN is just common sense. To turn our backs on Europe because they are foreign and have a trade deal with the US whereby their companies can sue in a US court if we change policy to the detriment of their bottom line is common sense. To accept chlorinated chicken, GM crops and Hormone injected beef to go to Disneyland and to sell teapots with the King’s head to the US is a price worth paying. It is common sense to privatise the NHS and have a health insurance system according to Farage.

all these woke idiots who think differently are just not seeing the benefits of Reform and how much their policies are to do with common sense

It was an example of how some aspects of cultures fail to co-exist peacefully in response to a claim by a pp. There are many more examples given by other pps in this thread. I’m not sure why you are so desperate for it not to have happened?

Do you dream of a happy multi/cultural utopia where no one’s cultural practices ever impinges on anyone else? That’s not how it works in real life though.

I thought I'd see what the bible has to say...

Ephesians 5:22-33
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands

Titus 2:4-5
And so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

Titus 2:3-5
Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.

Genesis 3:16
To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”

Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord

1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

You do know that women voluntarily becoming a nun is not the same as a religion who’s more zealous proponents kill women’s who don’t cover their heads?

And that a religion requiring girls as young as 6 to cover their heads (we even see head coverings on toddlers) in case a glimpse if the child’s hair makes a man lose his self control and rapes her is ‘just as bad’ as an order of nuns?

What parts of the UK practice Sharia Law? and what team are you in? doesn't sound like you re in the right team at all.

@Azdcgbjml
What a pointless post!
Nobody is disputing what’s in the bible and Christians are also in a minority in the U.K. these days as most people don’t identify with a religion. Of the Christians I do know, the women are not treated as second class citizens in 2025!

At no point has anyone claimed that ALL asylum seekers are not fleeing persecution in their own country.

You are very confident about the motivations of the men in small boats. Can you tell me how many are gay men fleeing persecution for their sexuality please?

The liberal left just cannot see how hypocritical they are.

They're so desperate to have bulging eyes and screechy voices to express outrage on other people's behalf (whilst looking over their shoulder to see if said people are looking /reading) that they actually ARE the discriminatory/judgemental ones themselves!!

People opposing mass unregulated immigration are opposing... Well, mass unregulated immigration.

They are NOT opposing black and brown people. It's an absolute bloody insult to people like me that happen to work alongside, in high numbers, actual qualified professionals who originate from overseas (many of which are black and brown ) - these liberally lefties are lumping those people in one big category with 'the boat people' assuming they're all one big homogenous mass because their skin isn't white !!

Most qualified, working, legally here black and brown people I've spoken to , do NOT want illegal immigrants in droves entering the shores either !!

Nor do many black and brown English/Welsh/Scottish born people!

The oh so liberal lefties assume that it's a black/brown Vs white thing. How incredibly, incredibly insulting and naive!!!! And they're the "educated" ones.

If said black or brown representative of a more right leaning or centrist party dares to include their voice : they're then being "used strategically" and accused of "internalised racism " : so because they have brown skin they can't possibly be against mass immigration? Thought you lefties said brown and black people were British too ? Disgusting that these very people are then being accused of not being able to form their own opinion - and for lefties to be insulted by the fact they're not doing as they're supposed to and sticking up for their fellow "foreigners" (even though they're British) on the boats. Now that's racist right there!!!

Adding to this it's the liberal left that then shouts "thick racist pig/bigot/hard of thinking"

This is utter madness !

It’s not the ‘sight of foreigners’ ( your words) but the behaviour of people who don’t respect our laws, culture or learn to speak our language.

A popular defence used by foreign born rapists is “I didn’t know it was illegal in the UK”. It works sometimes and the judges fall for it.

You are the one who brought up race not me.

Why are you assuming all those commenting here who oppose Reform are white?

The parents were not married.

I have read what people want, I am just wondering if Farage will be able to do this.

I had no idea though that everyone knows it won't fix anything - do people want them stopped just out of spite?

Which is why I’m against all religion. So I agree, fundamentalist Christians are just as bad.

But 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

I still have no idea what Farage plans to do about immigration. I mean I know he wants to stop it but I have no idea how.

Asylum seekers are iirc 3.6% of the immigrants coming into the country. So if people want to be able to walk down the street without seeing immigrants (I don't know how you know by looking at someone if they're British born or not althhough i think i can guess what peeople mean) or hearing foreign languages (boo hiss to tourists) then you actually need to put a stop to legal immigration more than the boat people. Stopping the boats won't really make a visible difference other than for those in the vicinity of the hotels where they are housed, but then quick processing so that they aren't housed like that would sort that problem out.

@springbirdss oh yes some waves people thousands of years ago came to populate the British Isles so it has "always been a nation of immigrants". Let's just ignore the thousand years of basically no immigration during which English culture fused into something that's recognisable around the world today... followed by extremely rapid and large waves of immigration from quite distant cultures.

Given that you've worked with refugees and asylum seekers: so have I, in a volunteer context, and my conclusion was that a) I completely understood the very rational decisions that the individuals had made and I'd do the same in their place and b) holy shit, integrating just ONE person or family requires an unsustainable level of investment and resources and this doesn't scale at all. I'm interested to hear your opinion on (b).

I mean, I'm an atheist too. We are technically a Christian country though. I just find it fascinating when people start banging on about the Quran as though the Bible is any better.

The rate is increasing. 2,133 granted asylum in 2023 on the basis of sexual orientation alone, obviously not including those accepted for other reasons who happen to also be gay (and those whose claims are yet to be processed).

I am not confident about the motivations of ALL men in boats. I am however confident that they are not ALL criminals, and I don't think it's fair to assume they are.

People want them stopped because the criminals, ie the traffickers are making huge amounts of money out of it plus the fact that it's unsustainable.

Thousands of years of no immigration? When was this?

I don't personally believe we are investing too much in asylum seekers, no.
Not while the UK is home to an extraordinary number of billionaires who are under-taxed.

Is it necessary to assume they're all criminals? Surely the argument is that they will have above-average criminality as a group, and in particular above-average violent or terrorism-related criminality (this doesn't seem to even be contested by refugee rights groups who point to their trauma backgrounds etc to explain it) and that therefore the elevated risk to existing citizens/residents of allowing this entry path isn't worth any benefits they bring as a group

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/history-of-immigration

Spite? They want illegal immigration stopped because it’s illegal, they are economic migrants from less developed countries that generally have less respect for laws or women, and add nothing, well less than nothing, to our society.
You must be able to see that your opinion is in the minority?
Whoever can tackle immigration, both blatantly illegal in the boats, and the mess that still allows trades to come into the UK on £13 per hour(!!!) will be winning the next election. People fell for the Tories, so ‘Smash the gangs’ Starmer better deliver of Reform will be given a chance.

If you don’t believe the £13 per hour look up the UK Immigration Salary List lower rate. These guys are not coming in on £39k a year.

the 'sight of foreigners' (not my words) was in reference to someone's comment about them feeling upset walking down their local high street...

I know it can be a long and complex process assimilating into a new culture, but the fact is that people who move from conservative countries to our country are absorbing our values and customs, not the other way around.

I just feel that people are always conflating asylum seekers/migrants with criminals.