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AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

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Peasnbeans · 02/05/2025 23:01

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

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Moveanymountain · 06/05/2025 19:05

Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 18:34

In 2024, 61% of small boat arrivals were of five nationalities: Afghan, Syrian, Iranian, Vietnamese, and Eritrean. Afghans were the largest group. Do you think men running away from an extreme Islamist regime are pro extreme Islam? That doesn’t really track for me. Clearly they want to get away from that abhorrent regime. Wouldn’t you?

And yes, there may be an appetite among a small number of people for abhorrent or unlawful practices, but you’re using that to be fearful of anyone of that religion. Again, I just don’t think that’s necessary. I don’t think anyone thinks migration is an antidote to home-grown problems, but some of us are looking at it as a global problem rather than locating it with individuals who are, very understandably, doing whatever they can for a better life.

We will need to agree to disagree.

I feel for these people on an individual level but uncontrolled migration is harmful to the UK.

bluesinthenight · 06/05/2025 19:07

BundleBoogie · 06/05/2025 17:10

Interesting. Are you suggesting that the BBC has a huge right wing bias? That’ll be news to them 🤣

I’m afraid I can’t take people seriously when they use phrases like “constant spewing of bile”. It’s really not clear what point you are trying to make? ‘Everyone who wants immigration controls is racist’? Or ‘people who object to vast numbers of undocumented men who have a higher incidence of criminality than the norm being housed next to their kids school are racist’?

Could you explain your point more succinctly?

The BBC and other media certainly have a Farage bias. Perhaps they think featuring him makes good TV. During the election he kept saying that he should be allowed to debate alongside the main parties. And who could blame him in the delusion?

springbirdss · 06/05/2025 19:21

BundleBoogie · 06/05/2025 17:16

It’s not about ‘poor billionaires’! We need them more than they need citizenship of this country.

You may be unaware that the top 1% already pay almost a third of all our tax income and their money gives them choices. Choices to live overseas if our tax regime gets punitive.

It’s such a lazy left wing trope ‘tax the rich!’, forgetting that the last Labour government to hike up the tax rates on top earners caused a mass exodus and a drop in tax income. The politics of envy are not economically sound.

A very small wealth tax (1-2% on assets over £10million) applied to those at the very top of distribution would only affect 0.04% of the population and could raise up to £22 billion a year.

Most of our wealthiest people have significant ties to the UK and are not just going to flee on mass if they're made to pay 10-20 grand a year.

You can call it a left wing trope, but how on earth are you okay with public services crumbling and kids going hungry in this country when a few individuals are sitting on hoards of private wealth?

How do you justify scrapping the basic provision we give refugees when this is going on?

Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 19:25

springbirdss · 06/05/2025 19:21

A very small wealth tax (1-2% on assets over £10million) applied to those at the very top of distribution would only affect 0.04% of the population and could raise up to £22 billion a year.

Most of our wealthiest people have significant ties to the UK and are not just going to flee on mass if they're made to pay 10-20 grand a year.

You can call it a left wing trope, but how on earth are you okay with public services crumbling and kids going hungry in this country when a few individuals are sitting on hoards of private wealth?

How do you justify scrapping the basic provision we give refugees when this is going on?

I really don’t see why this is controversial. The top 1% includes billionaires but also people earning from about 230k upwards. Those at the top end can well afford it.

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 19:46

Open your eyes.

Of the two hotels I mentioned one is exclusively for males (Metropole) and they are see outside smoking - poverty? Whaaat?

The other in Hoylake is 99.9% male. My friends have seen 2 women since it was opened to migrants.

Over the other side of the country Skegness was using 5 hotels for migrants.

You can see someone smoking at 2.27 and these people are in poverty?

Really?

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 20:11

Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 19:25

I really don’t see why this is controversial. The top 1% includes billionaires but also people earning from about 230k upwards. Those at the top end can well afford it.

If it is such a good solution why hasn't any one of the successive Labour Governments implemented it ?

jasflowers · 06/05/2025 20:48

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 20:11

If it is such a good solution why hasn't any one of the successive Labour Governments implemented it ?

Ummmm what successive Labour Govts??

btw the wealthy pay, proportionately a lot of tax because the average worker has, in real terms, seen their wages fall over the last decade or so, the rich have seen their wealth sky rocket.

You still haven't said what the super wealthy bring to this country or is it "trickle down economics?"

BIossomtoes · 06/05/2025 20:49

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 20:11

If it is such a good solution why hasn't any one of the successive Labour Governments implemented it ?

We haven’t had one for 14 years. 🙄

StupidBoy · 06/05/2025 20:52

BIossomtoes · 06/05/2025 20:49

We haven’t had one for 14 years. 🙄

Yes but we did have one for the 13 years before that, with two different Labour PMs. So the question still stands.

BIossomtoes · 06/05/2025 20:56

StupidBoy · 06/05/2025 20:52

Yes but we did have one for the 13 years before that, with two different Labour PMs. So the question still stands.

No it doesn’t because if they had done it Cameron would have reversed it in a heartbeat just like he got rid of the 10% band.

Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 20:59

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 20:11

If it is such a good solution why hasn't any one of the successive Labour Governments implemented it ?

If it’s so easy to stop immigration why haven’t they?

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 21:24

Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 20:59

If it’s so easy to stop immigration why haven’t they?

Because up to press no Government has had the cojones to come out of the UNHCR and make laws that benefit our citizens

springbirdss · 06/05/2025 21:39

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 20:11

If it is such a good solution why hasn't any one of the successive Labour Governments implemented it ?

What has this got to do with anything? Are you assuming that all leftwing people are Labour enthusiasts?

rockstarshoes · 06/05/2025 21:41

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 21:24

Because up to press no Government has had the cojones to come out of the UNHCR and make laws that benefit our citizens

Because those Laws benefit all of us!

You & me included!

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 21:49

springbirdss · 06/05/2025 21:39

What has this got to do with anything? Are you assuming that all leftwing people are Labour enthusiasts?

Yup.

BundleBoogie · 06/05/2025 21:50

springbirdss · 06/05/2025 19:21

A very small wealth tax (1-2% on assets over £10million) applied to those at the very top of distribution would only affect 0.04% of the population and could raise up to £22 billion a year.

Most of our wealthiest people have significant ties to the UK and are not just going to flee on mass if they're made to pay 10-20 grand a year.

You can call it a left wing trope, but how on earth are you okay with public services crumbling and kids going hungry in this country when a few individuals are sitting on hoards of private wealth?

How do you justify scrapping the basic provision we give refugees when this is going on?

Where did I say I was ok with the public services crumbling and kids going hungry?

If I were you I’d be writing a letter to Rachel Reeves and ask her what happened to the last Labour government that tried taxing the wealthy further than they were prepared to pay. Better still, you could write to all the UK billionaires and explain why you think they should pay more tax and see what response you get.

It would help if the government wasn’t squandering many billions on pointless schemes and poor management though.

springbirdss · 06/05/2025 21:51

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 19:46

Open your eyes.

Of the two hotels I mentioned one is exclusively for males (Metropole) and they are see outside smoking - poverty? Whaaat?

The other in Hoylake is 99.9% male. My friends have seen 2 women since it was opened to migrants.

Over the other side of the country Skegness was using 5 hotels for migrants.

You can see someone smoking at 2.27 and these people are in poverty?

Really?

I'm not sure how to respond to someone who thinks that 'Rebel News UK' is a reputable and unbiased source of information.

springbirdss · 06/05/2025 21:53

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 21:49

Yup.

Then you are massively incorrect.

Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 21:58

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 21:24

Because up to press no Government has had the cojones to come out of the UNHCR and make laws that benefit our citizens

i don’t agree with you on the ECHR but if you think it’s a matter of balls, apply the same logic to your own question.

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 21:58

springbirdss · 06/05/2025 21:51

I'm not sure how to respond to someone who thinks that 'Rebel News UK' is a reputable and unbiased source of information.

OK
If it's a problem for you then don't bother, I don't mind.🙂

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 22:00

Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 21:58

i don’t agree with you on the ECHR but if you think it’s a matter of balls, apply the same logic to your own question.

It's too late at night to be trying to solve conundrums,

So I'll take my cojones elsewhere.

springbirdss · 06/05/2025 22:13

bellsanddogwhistles · 06/05/2025 21:58

OK
If it's a problem for you then don't bother, I don't mind.🙂

I will just leave you with a quote from the article I linked that you probably didn't read:

Here’s another example of life in hotels. I was working with a woman seeking asylum who was heavily pregnant.
Her room is on the second floor with no lift. It’s too small and she struggles to shower. She told us that she recently drank water from the tap of a hospital bathroom while waiting for a midwife appointment, because she doesn’t have a water bottle to carry water from the hotel around in.
Why couldn’t she buy a bottle of water? Because she’s been waiting months for an ASPEN card, a pre-paid bank card that holds her £9 week allowance. The only money she can access.
I’ve seen families wait several months to get an ASPEN card. That’s months dumped in a hotel with no money whatsoever.

But sure, you saw a video of some men smoking outside of a Travelodge so clearly they're all on holiday.

Goodnight.

Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 22:39

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Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 22:40

BundleBoogie · 06/05/2025 21:50

Where did I say I was ok with the public services crumbling and kids going hungry?

If I were you I’d be writing a letter to Rachel Reeves and ask her what happened to the last Labour government that tried taxing the wealthy further than they were prepared to pay. Better still, you could write to all the UK billionaires and explain why you think they should pay more tax and see what response you get.

It would help if the government wasn’t squandering many billions on pointless schemes and poor management though.

Out of interest, what ‘pointless schemes’ do you think the government is funding?

BundleBoogie · 06/05/2025 22:57

Whatevernext9 · 06/05/2025 22:40

Out of interest, what ‘pointless schemes’ do you think the government is funding?

There’s quite a few but that would be a big derail to the thread and we don’t want that do we?

What are your thoughts on the effectiveness of simply ‘tax the rich’ as an economic strategy?

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