Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

id call that the last tattered echoes of empire - it’s a far cry from oppression.

But anyway kneecap are thugs

and I think even if you got the very thinnest tooth comb possible you’d be challenged to find them even whispering about the oppression of women in Afghanistan

Agree.

They never miss an opportunity.

Bitterness is like swallowing poison in the hope the other person dies.

In numerical terms England suffered far more at the hands of the Germans/Nazi party than Ireland did during the troubles. Half a million dead through action and the Blitz, versus I think hundreds in the troubles?

I remember discussing this with my then 90 year old grandfather who lost numerous family members and close friends in WW2. He said bitterness eats you up, and nothing that happened back then is anything to do with Germans alive today. He refused to hold a grudge.

There are some English who still hold a grudge but I condemn that.

Why is trump in presidency instead of behind bars?

As an American, I’d like to know why a felon is allowed to run for US President.
It offends me six ways to Sunday that a rapist sits in the Oval Office.

—a rape survivor

Half a million dead through action and the Blitz, versus I think hundreds in the troubles?

3720 died in The Troubles. No, we'll never miss an opportunity to remember them, or "hold a grudge" as you call it.

"because we don’t detain people without trial" "You" did though.

Internment. [During the period of Internment, 9 August 1971 to 5 December 1975, 1,981 people were detained; 1,874 were Catholic / Republican, while 107 were Protestant / Loyalist.]

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/events/intern/chron.htm

There is quite a difference. Connelly pled guilty to hate speech. She attempted to incite violence against asylum seekers, some of the most vulnerable in society. Kneecap shouting their mouths off on stage (some years ago) was irresponsible and potentially dangerous, and should be investigated, but it's not hate speech. MPs are not a minority group or a race.

On another note, kneecap have used their music (whether or not it's your thing) to portray the Irish language and experience, and their messaging on Palestine has been quite educated and consistent in the face of global apathy about genocidal acts and war crimes.

Jeepers I dread to think what people would think of Eminem's words had he been around in this decade. Kneecap are tongue in cheek, like Eminem was. Anyone who takes their music literally are the issue, obviously only a psychopath would go and kill an mp ffs. They are definitely not stupid either, they are very well educated. They are also Irish Language activists, if it wasn't for people like them our beautiful Language would now be extinct along with our games & music. The British tried to ban everything Irish from our country. How dare they speak out on wrongdoings eh and again with Palestine, Irish people have solidarity for them because we also went through genocide & partition.

It seems they are quite vocal on Palestine as well.

What is there to investigate? She had to be first in order to be in a position to plead guilty. Why haven't they been arrested while the 'investigation' is carried out

I feel like you haven't understood my post. Did you only read the title? Why then is Lucy Connelly in prison if we have free speech - she is evidence we don't and indicates two tier justice

So what is different about Lucy Connellys case?

This post was about the erosion of free speech in the UK and the two tier justice system that's becoming increasingly apparent. These institutions are essential to the functioning of democracy and healthy society. Can you tell me what is more important, and moreover - what problems stand any chance of being fixed without free speech and fair justice?

A group of untalented IRA supporters should be given no mention whatsoever.
they need the controversy to thrive because then and their fan base are absolute trash

'Educated' if you get your information from Hamas mouthpieces. Which they've done consistently, so I agree with you there

I'm pleased they're being investigated. They deserve to be cancelled. Tensions are high enough without their incitement to violence for the sake of self-serving publicity

Because Lucy Connelly is perceived as right wing therefore the book should be thrown at her. Crucify the witch

Kneecap are perceived as left wing therefore they're being unfairly persecuted for free speech. Stop the oppression

It certainly looks like that doesn't it? I was really hoping someone sensible here could explain plausibly why this is not actually the case.

Because they are on the left. The left can do anything and still be walking the streets. The justice system is a joke.

Oh yeh - keep going with bitterness and hatred .
(Thank God most Irish people have more sense than you )

Ireland is one of the wealthiest countries per capita in the world.

But yes - you keep on wingeing about the past .

So because they lived in Northern Ireland it’s fine? What a ridiculous statement

…and again ..

Lucy Connolly pled guilty and received the legislated punishment for the crime.

Kneecap are currently being investigated, may face charges, and will be punished in line with the legislated punishment for the crime.

Neither Connolly or Kneecap are free speech hero’s. Connolly makes racist comments, and Kneecap have made inciting comments.

Kneecap aren’t “left wing”

There is no two-tier system, despite what GBeebies and The Mail might say.

Lucy Connelly was investigated and then later charged. Later than that she went to court and was convicted. There’s a police investigation into Kneecap’s comments and so that will take its course in the same way and they may or may not be prosecuted We don’t yet lock people up without due process thankfully.

What they said was crass and wholly inappropriate. What LC said was crass and wholly inappropriate. If they end up facing prosecution based on the evidence (which I haven’t seen) then I’ve no problem with that.

I do think however that what they say about people trawling footage to find something to be outraged about is largely true. Being outspoken and controversialists is their thing. I’m not surprised they said something outrageous during a concert. There’s probably more examples out there. But they represent a convenient political opportunity for the Tories/the right to galvanise a bit of support and I doubt those complaining are motivated by anything other than a point scoring opportunity.

It only looks that way because you don’t understand how our legal system works. Spend ten mins on Wikipedia perhaps.