Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

We can add GC tweeters to the incredibly small number of people arrested for wrongthink (just to clarify yet what Lucy said was WRONG but it always seems to be women doesn’t it!)

Who is GC? You mean Gender Critical? I wasn't aware there had been arrests.

Yes vocally.

Under the Terrorism Act its an offence to express an opinion or belief that is supportive of Hamas or Hezbollah, including vocally.

Sounds like a massive attention seeking gimmick on their part, and as though it t should be ignored and not given the oxygen of publicity.

Lots of terrible things were done to the Irish by the British, but kneecapping their own people was hardly something laudable on the part of the IRA. Their name itself would suggest they’re not really making a serious or valid point.

Their name itself would suggest they’re not really making a serious or valid point.

Their name itself would suggest they’re completely supportive of appalling acts of violence carried out by terrorists against innocents.

All of those who break the law should be dealt with fairly. But we all know we aren’t actually equal under the law. These men will get away with it. Maybe because none of their audience followed through on the incitement. Maybe another (political) reason. But they’ll get away with it.

Caroline Farrow
Harry Miller
Marion Millar

Maya was also investigated as were others

I also love how many Irish men have suddenly proclaimed themselves as ‘antifascists’ and have started ‘fighting the power’ despite the fact the country has serious misogyny problems, a widespread culture of oppressing women through reproductive rights and has now leapfrogged the medium ground entirely to land squarely at TWAW

Men indeed

Connelly is in prison because she pleaded guilty to inciting racial hatred.

Kneecap should also be arrested & charged with incitement.

Were you alive 80 years ago? Because if you're saying people who didn't live through the Troubles shouldn't speak about them, surely you should only reference hating Germans if you lived through WW2?

Also, get fucked. Why are the troubles brought up? Are you serious? Hundreds of years of oppression? Having our names and language ripped away from us? Any of these ringing a bell?

Oh yes, and internment, the RUC, H blocks.

You're doubtless going to reply with some anti-Irish sentiment, it's frequent on here. Work away. I won't be reading anything further that you have to say.

I’m not anti Irish in the slightest - I’m quite heavily of Irish descent myself and think it’s an amazing country with an amazing culture. But at some point the self defeating victim mindset has to stop - we are where we are, and endlessly dragging it up every time another conflict is mentioned is getting tiresome.

Freedom of speech is not - and should not be in my view obviously- completely unfettered. In the UK one of these deters is supporting a terrorist organisation. Which they clearly did with Hamas and hazbollah.

re the MP comment I’m not sure if there is a pacific offense against calling for violence against MPs? Don’t know.

they ghastly people anyway

I'm part Irish

Absolutely none of what you say is any justification whatsoever for incitement to murder people.

Stop with the whataboutery and minimising.

I can't see that anything serious will happen to them, they'll probably get off with making a grovelling apology to save their careers and perhaps going on some kind of victim impact course.

Northern Ireland has a kind of unofficial 11th commandment which is 'thou shalt not endanger the peace process'. The govt is terrified of offending Sinn Fein or the DUP and their paramilitary puppetmasters, so people get away with quite extraordinary criminal behaviour.

History is important

but surely the situation is very different now. Of course Northern Ireland is still a thing - but the dynamics of English oppression of the Irish are surely very different now.

i think it’s a delightful twist to be honest that lots of English people are now desperately trying to get their Irish passports

all populations the world over are renewed at most every hundred years. Oppression that was so very real at the time very quickly changes.

I did neither of those things, but please feel free to point out where you believe I did. I'd genuinely like to know if I'm inadvertently doing so.

Not sure what your being "part Irish" has to do with anything.

I don’t think the comb would need to be too fine.
I think it would have been quite easy to find examples of comments like this

Probably has to do with the fact it wasn’t just your ancestors which were oppressed. Nobody alive today can right the wrongs of other people, unless you believe the children of serial killers should be harassed on account of their parents’ crimes? Let’s focus on the here and now and what can be done about existing wrongs.

Kneecap are brainless idiots who care less about Palestinians (who are protesting against Hamas in large numbers) than they do embedding their tough lefty image of power-fighting hard men.

They’re pathetic.

”surely you should only reference hating Germans if you lived through WW2?”
Ffs - literally no one goes on about hating Germans 🙄
But there is a (very) small minority of Irish who love to stoke the flames of anti English sentiment at EVERY single opportunity… It’s pathetic

Thank you. It does seem pointless to engage on this but I’ll add that Kneecap are powerful’ they resonate with people across the world, and their live performances are extraordinary. Their message on Palestine is consistent. Their apology and explanation was made in respect of the footage.they are not kids either, two of them 30+.good interview with them in the guardian a year or so ago.
I’m out too, can see how this will go. But if you can see them live, go.

The definition of whataboutery is responding to a difficult subject/question by raising another subject in an attempt to deflect attention away from the debate at hand.

It's exactly what you did.

Completely agree. ( and both my parents are Irish - from the North )
Kneecap are pathetic.

It's different, of course, but I don't think it's all that different. On holiday in Armagh last summer, we met I'd say 90% lovely, warm and welcoming people. But the other 10% were openly hostile and very rude as soon as they heard our accents.
My sister's ex-husband and his friends (all English) have been incredibly unpleasant about our being Irish, mocking and mimicking our accents, belittling our ancestry, and on one delightful occasion, telling us that "Irish people need to get the fuck over it".

’Pointless’ because people are shattering your romantic delusion?

Agreed.

They are a disgrace and an embarrassment.

I was replying to a comment made by another poster, as I'm sure you are aware.

I agree about the small minority of Irish people who like to inflame anti-English sentiment. It's so needless, it's unpleasant and inflammatory. Unfortunately, the same happens in reverse. It's a two way street, and it's unnecessary for both sides.