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Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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BlossomBlanket · 29/04/2025 19:49

But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

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Mylegishangingoff · 30/04/2025 07:52

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:45

My point was that dwelling on the past is unhelpful. Ireland is currently in much better place. There are countries that are suffering oppression NOW . Ireland is affluent and at peace and should focus on staying at peace .
Can’t stand the anti English hatred . ( or anti Irish hatred which Kneecap’s attitudes would help to revive)

But they aren't from Ireland? They were born and live in Northern Ireland which by all accounts is in the shit, how Ireland is doing is completely irrelevant to people in Northern Ireland.

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:55

Mylegishangingoff · 30/04/2025 07:52

But they aren't from Ireland? They were born and live in Northern Ireland which by all accounts is in the shit, how Ireland is doing is completely irrelevant to people in Northern Ireland.

People earlier in the thread were referring to famine etc . That’s why I said Ireland is very rich now

Skirtless · 30/04/2025 07:57

Mylegishangingoff · 30/04/2025 07:52

But they aren't from Ireland? They were born and live in Northern Ireland which by all accounts is in the shit, how Ireland is doing is completely irrelevant to people in Northern Ireland.

Absolutely. There are some extremely under-informed opinions on here. The fact that someone can’t distinguish between Ireland and NI both tells me all I need to know about that person’s level of informedness, and reminds me of when I (Irish person) first moved to England and needed a NI number, three different Jobcentre employees told me I could ‘just use my home number’. I explained I wasn’t from NI, but from Ireland, a completely different country. ‘That should still be fine!’

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:59

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This was the post that referenced Ireland as a whole

queenmeadhbh · 30/04/2025 08:00

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2025 07:41

Utter rubbish.

I'm not sure how you can make sweeping statements claiming to know what people you don't think think or feel and keep a straight face.

Well someone has just replied saying that people with Irish heritage had ancestors that suffered more because they had
to emigrate. Proving my point that that poster does not understand, or denies, that the troubles did not happen to my ancestors, they happened to me.

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 08:01

Skirtless · 30/04/2025 07:57

Absolutely. There are some extremely under-informed opinions on here. The fact that someone can’t distinguish between Ireland and NI both tells me all I need to know about that person’s level of informedness, and reminds me of when I (Irish person) first moved to England and needed a NI number, three different Jobcentre employees told me I could ‘just use my home number’. I explained I wasn’t from NI, but from Ireland, a completely different country. ‘That should still be fine!’

My mother is from the North.
If you read the whole thread you can see why I referenced Ireland. It was in reply to previous posts.
Don’t assume other posters are under informed. I’m very well informed about Ireland and the six counties in the North .

queenmeadhbh · 30/04/2025 08:02

Mylegishangingoff · 30/04/2025 07:34

Are these lads not from NI? Which is far from a very wealthy and privileged nation. NI is the poorest region in the UK and one of the poorest countries in Europe.

Honestly, Ophelia is just displaying staggering levels of ignorance so there’s no point.

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 08:03

queenmeadhbh · 30/04/2025 08:00

Well someone has just replied saying that people with Irish heritage had ancestors that suffered more because they had
to emigrate. Proving my point that that poster does not understand, or denies, that the troubles did not happen to my ancestors, they happened to me.

🙄 You haven’t understood my post . Never mind
Back to Kneecap

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 08:04

queenmeadhbh · 30/04/2025 08:02

Honestly, Ophelia is just displaying staggering levels of ignorance so there’s no point.

Saying someone is ignorant just because they have a different opinion doesn’t win you the argument.
I know the North well and have roots there .

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 08:06

queenmeadhbh · 30/04/2025 08:02

Honestly, Ophelia is just displaying staggering levels of ignorance so there’s no point.

If you look back you can see that you have referenced situations that occurred to Ireland as a whole ( civil war) not just the North .
That is why I referenced Ireland 🙄

BlossomBlanket · 30/04/2025 08:09

ExtraOnions · 30/04/2025 07:34

You don’t seem to know what “left” means … these days it’s used as very lazy shorthand for anyone who disagrees with Gbeebies and The Mail.

What do you think “left” or “leftie” means?

One was arrested after an investigation, the other is being investigated..

We will see what crime they have committed, and what they may be charged with, at the end of the investigation.

Remember when Free Speech warrior Clarkson said all Civil Servants should be taken outside and shot … what was he charged with?

The terms 'left' and 'right' originate from the French revolution, at the political assembly those on the left were the 'progressives' who advocated for the end of monarchy and those on the right supported the old order. Left then became associated, primarily in the UK with Marxism and the trade union movement. Leftism previously was largely focused on economic inequality. After Occupy a shift occurred and the focus on class disparities were downgraded (significantly) in favour of identity politics.

The left are now no longer defined by any core principals, not one will they abandon in a heartbeat in the service of a trendy cause. Their agenda is largely establishment, set by media, banking and academic elites, larping as subversive. It's more a fandom than a grassroots, serious, political movement. But the same can be said of the right now too. It is a shorthand, no longer fit for purpose other than to communicate in a way that is broadly understood and neither party wishes to overinvest in greater clarity. As a faction - you know who I am talking about.

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Gymrabbit · 30/04/2025 08:09

AgnesX · 30/04/2025 07:39

Pearl clutching at its finest.

Pop bands have been scandalising people for decades, from Elvis onwards.

Yes gyrating your pelvis or saying fuck on tv is exactly the same as calling on people to murder their elected representatives. 🙄

Willyoujustbequiet · 30/04/2025 08:12

queenmeadhbh · 30/04/2025 08:00

Well someone has just replied saying that people with Irish heritage had ancestors that suffered more because they had
to emigrate. Proving my point that that poster does not understand, or denies, that the troubles did not happen to my ancestors, they happened to me.

You said everyone with such heritage.

One person having an opinion you disagree with does not translate into the knowledge of what an entire demographic think or feel.

RuledbytheWashingMachine · 30/04/2025 08:21

As someone who lives in NI, I can tell most of you don't understand what here is like. I come from a unionist background and went to completely protestant schools. The opposite of Kneecap! Even though I am neutral and don't participate in the twelfth or anything cultural, you can tell it's the first thing most people try to work out about you. There is a lack of trust on both sides

What you are dominates everything here. Where you live, work, learn and where you feel comfortable. There's nothing more unnerving than getting lost in Derry or Belfast and finding yourself in an area covered in terrorist flags and murals. There is lingering atmosphere of terror, whether this is West Belfast or Newtownards.

Even though the troubles ended when I was a teenage, I still remember the violence, bombings and killings that were discussed on the news every single night. I remember army stop points with their massive guns. Every one here knows someone who were killed in the terrorism. My grandparents told me of stories of vans being blew up on their way to work and how the bomb in the town five miles away made their homes tremble. It is hard to forget.

Northern Ireland may look all peaceful and flowers in the outside but there a bitterness underneath behind closed doors.

Integration education really needs to be supported. Faith schools are keeping the divide well and truly open. Unfortunately our bigot education minister is determined to put it on hold.

From the media, I sense there's a romanticism forming about the IRA. That they were patriots fighting for their freedom and country. However the constant bombing and killing just makes them murderers. I don't think we should be glorifying murderers who killed women, children and innocent men.

Kneecap are just young and stupid.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/04/2025 08:21

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:59

This was the post that referenced Ireland as a whole

You do know that Ireland was not partitioned when the famine happened it was still all under British control.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/04/2025 08:26

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-66132818

This is an example of how things still are in Northern Ireland, sectarianism is still very much alive and well on both sides. This the climate the band members were raised in. No I do not agree with what they have chanted in their concerts nor do I agree with people trawling through concert footage to find things to beat them with. I also do not agree that Irish flags and effigies of Irish politicians get burnt on bonfires every year but I recognise that sometimes things need to be let slide to maintain law and order and peace for all

Sir Jeffrey Donaldson

Bonfires: DUP leader condemns burning Irish flags and effigies

Sir Jeffrey Donaldson urges loyalists to "respect the identity of others" on 11 July.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-66132818

Gremlins101 · 30/04/2025 08:28

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:45

My point was that dwelling on the past is unhelpful. Ireland is currently in much better place. There are countries that are suffering oppression NOW . Ireland is affluent and at peace and should focus on staying at peace .
Can’t stand the anti English hatred . ( or anti Irish hatred which Kneecap’s attitudes would help to revive)

But it is the case that a huge majority of people in ireland are pro palestine because of the shared history of oppression and genocide against them. It doesn't matter ireland are a wealthy country now (with massive socio economic problems mind), the history has shaped the country.

People don't hate an English person for being English. Many people hate the British political establishment and what it represents.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/04/2025 08:30

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:45

My point was that dwelling on the past is unhelpful. Ireland is currently in much better place. There are countries that are suffering oppression NOW . Ireland is affluent and at peace and should focus on staying at peace .
Can’t stand the anti English hatred . ( or anti Irish hatred which Kneecap’s attitudes would help to revive)

My point was that dwelling on the past is unhelpful.

How is it the past? The country is still partitioned, many want it united many don't, things aren't sorted you know

Gettingamixedresponse · 30/04/2025 08:34

RuledbytheWashingMachine · 30/04/2025 08:21

As someone who lives in NI, I can tell most of you don't understand what here is like. I come from a unionist background and went to completely protestant schools. The opposite of Kneecap! Even though I am neutral and don't participate in the twelfth or anything cultural, you can tell it's the first thing most people try to work out about you. There is a lack of trust on both sides

What you are dominates everything here. Where you live, work, learn and where you feel comfortable. There's nothing more unnerving than getting lost in Derry or Belfast and finding yourself in an area covered in terrorist flags and murals. There is lingering atmosphere of terror, whether this is West Belfast or Newtownards.

Even though the troubles ended when I was a teenage, I still remember the violence, bombings and killings that were discussed on the news every single night. I remember army stop points with their massive guns. Every one here knows someone who were killed in the terrorism. My grandparents told me of stories of vans being blew up on their way to work and how the bomb in the town five miles away made their homes tremble. It is hard to forget.

Northern Ireland may look all peaceful and flowers in the outside but there a bitterness underneath behind closed doors.

Integration education really needs to be supported. Faith schools are keeping the divide well and truly open. Unfortunately our bigot education minister is determined to put it on hold.

From the media, I sense there's a romanticism forming about the IRA. That they were patriots fighting for their freedom and country. However the constant bombing and killing just makes them murderers. I don't think we should be glorifying murderers who killed women, children and innocent men.

Kneecap are just young and stupid.

I’m from the catholic tradition and agree 100% with this. The popularity of kneecap shows we haven’t moved very far forward unfortunately.

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 08:34

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/04/2025 08:21

You do know that Ireland was not partitioned when the famine happened it was still all under British control.

Yes . Obviously 🙄

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 08:35

Gettingamixedresponse · 30/04/2025 08:34

I’m from the catholic tradition and agree 100% with this. The popularity of kneecap shows we haven’t moved very far forward unfortunately.

Agreed

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 08:36

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/04/2025 08:30

My point was that dwelling on the past is unhelpful.

How is it the past? The country is still partitioned, many want it united many don't, things aren't sorted you know

Read through the thread . People we’re referring to the past ( famine / civil war etc)
It wasn’t me that brought up those things

Gettingamixedresponse · 30/04/2025 08:37

Gremlins101 · 30/04/2025 08:28

But it is the case that a huge majority of people in ireland are pro palestine because of the shared history of oppression and genocide against them. It doesn't matter ireland are a wealthy country now (with massive socio economic problems mind), the history has shaped the country.

People don't hate an English person for being English. Many people hate the British political establishment and what it represents.

I have English family members and I’m afraid they are hated for what they are. It’s a cop out to say ‘ah no, it’s actually the establishment that’s hated’. I know too well that’s not true.

Skirtless · 30/04/2025 08:45

Gettingamixedresponse · 30/04/2025 08:37

I have English family members and I’m afraid they are hated for what they are. It’s a cop out to say ‘ah no, it’s actually the establishment that’s hated’. I know too well that’s not true.

By whom are your English family members hated, exactly?

Because I spent 30 years as an Irish person living in England dealing on and off with slurs, mockery, othering, ignorance and once or twice outright discrimination, and even then, though it eventually contributed to my decision to leave, I recognise that represents a tiny minority of English people.

crackofdoom · 30/04/2025 08:50

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/04/2025 07:32

There is no excuse for Kneecap’s dreadful name or incitement to hatred and violence.

The name is a satirical take on West Belfast stereotypes.

Wondering if I'm the only person on this thread to have seen the Kneecap film.

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