Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

When you say 'shot each other' I assume you are including the English soldiers that murdered civilians? It wasn't just a 2 sided conflict perpetuated exclusively by Irish people.

We do have independent monitoring of the situation in NI so that we don't have to rely on the I'll informed views of people on the internet. Their conclusion is that the provisionals, that you are so obsessed with, are committed to an exclusively political path.

We do have criminal gangs but we remain one the safest places to live in the UK with a significantly lower murder rate and overall crime rate than the rest of the UK. But why would you let facts get in the way of your prejudice?

Once again you seek to move to the discussion somewhere else when the multitude of flaws in your argument are pointed out.

'Once again you seek to move to the discussion somewhere else '

I was responding to a pps quote of 'mo charas' slightly warped and one sided view of the ni issues trying desperately to liken it to the gaza conflict. Which would be funny if it wasn't such a serious situation. Those daft wee laddies.

@Traybake99do you think that peace message applies to the last line of this post? which was also said by the band

I posted the quote as someone asked what he said, surprisingly, given that the tread is 37 pages long and it's available on any media site world wide. But I'm glad I did post it as it all comes back to the genocide in Gaza, and he specifically said what is happening in Gaza is not exactly like the Irish 'conflict' / occupation as bombs weren't dropped from the skies in Ireland. Unsurprisingly if you come from an area that has been colonised your view is one sided, and if you are linked to the colonised group it may 'warp' your view slightly. As pps have said they actively support youth groups from both sides.

Yes, hamas hid among the palestinians true, which tragically meant civilians were killed too.

So it's okay to use children as collateral damage? 30 children per day killed since Oct 7th according to estimates. I don't think that includes the ones maimed. The Israeli government / army have not been accused of war crimes by multiple agencies and political groups worldwide for no reason.

I can't edit but my post above was in response to this.

We do have criminal gangs but we remain one the safest places to live in the UK with a significantly lower murder rate and overall crime rate than the rest of the UK. But why would you let facts get in the way of your prejudice?'

I'm not prejudiced at all just don't like bands whipping up hate, there's enough in the world without those with a cult following using their platform.

Belfast crime rate is 97 per 1000 which is comparable with every other big city in the UK. London 100/1000.

I'd imagine rural places have lower crime rates, again like the rest of the UK.

Strange, you directly quoted my post and now you say you weren't responding to it?

'the Irish not so long ago were persecuted by the Brits but not bombed from the skies'. That is a statement of historical fact, how is it a warped view?

You said that still have a problem with gang warfare as if we are out here shooting each other every day. Our murder rate is 6.8 per million compared to UK average of 9.9 and crime rate is 55 per thousand compared to UK average of 89.

What 'you imagine' isn't relevant in comparison to objective facts. You do seem to imagine a lot of things though, maybe be best to keep them to yourself in case anyone thinks your are prejudiced.

Oh good another shift of the goalposts.
Wouldn't it great if kneecap had a message of peace? Here is an example of a message of peace.

Wouldn't it be great if kneecap didn't glorify the IRA? They depicted them as violent thugs taxing drug dealers in the nationalist community in an award winning film with a worldwide audience.

Wouldn't it be great if they didn't stir up sectarian tension in NI? They donate money to youth groups from both sides of the community and support artists from working class loyalist areas.

Ah but they said up hamas.... Which no one has defended.

So that’s a no then? It wasn’t message of peace. Nor the killing MPs. I agree.

Is there a point to your question? Killing MPs is not an act of peace, neither is advocating killing MPs so no, that is not a message of peace which is why they apologised.and offered to meet the offended families if that was their wish, and the discussion starting point here was why are they not in prison.

" "Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay. We know this more than anyone, given our nation's history.
"We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever. An extract of footage, deliberately taken out of all context, is now being exploited and weaponised, as if it were a call to action."
The band added: "To the Amess and Cox families, we send our heartfelt apologies, we never intended to cause you hurt.
"Kneecap's message has always been - and remains - one of love, inclusion, and hope. This is why our music resonates across generations, countries, classes and cultures and has brought hundreds of thousands of people to our gigs."

Asking a question for the sole aim of point scoring is an own goal at this stage. T

Yes of course there is hence asking another poster, not you, to see if they applied peace message to all of the phrases.

And yes I am interested in whether people can be clear on the provocative lines. I’m fine with the discussion.

@Traybake99 in respect to the comment "Wouldn't it be great if they didn't stir up sectarian tension in NI?" Having lived back in NI for the past 5 years, I really do believe that Kneecap do stir up sectarian tension. And I sense they know they are doing that and deliberately do so. I won't condone most of our Unionist marches and bonfires which deliberately do the same thing.

While personally I do detest Kneecap (for both promoting and encouraging drugs and their blatant sectarianism ... oh ... and their music too!). I do acknowledge they are doing a service in highlighting the mass civilians killings by Israel, the on-going ethnic cleansing in the West Bank.

How do they stir up sectarian tension? They appear to have auch more liberal view than you do on bonfires and marches.... (I appreciate you won't appreciate the cocaine sentiment but that isnt the issue being discussed).
There’s a portion of society that want the [unionist] 12th July bonfires, and they’re funded by the council, and that’s totally fine. I’m just jel. I want a big street party like theirs! Like we have Paddy’s Day, but the 12th July goes on for two days. I wish I could go there, take loads of cocaine and hit a big drum. They get the best cocaine in Belfast!”

The flaming land rover mural also seems to be brought up but if the PSNI is a police service for all with officers from all backgrounds that doesn't stand up as sectarian. You will no doubt be aware that rioting with the police is very much an activity enjoyed by both communities.

I think what this all very clearly demonstrates is the dangers of applying the history and context of a dispute on one side of the world that has evolved in modern years in one way to a dispute on the other side of the world that has very different parties and cultures involved and which has evolved very very differently.

As said, Hamas are oppressors and the lackeys of oppressors - the dynamics of oppression in Gaza is very different.

viewing it through the lens of British colonialism helps actual Palestinians in no way

Hanas are oppressors, but they are not the only oppressors in the situation.

For sure - it’s a completely different dynamic so trying to fit an inappropriate analytical framework over it is causes far more harm than good

I wonder what happened in the space of a few months that meant they stopped supporting Hamas and Hezbollah.

Yes … good point 🤔

“How do they stir up sectarian tension? They appear to have auch more liberal view than you do on bonfires and marches.... (I appreciate you won't appreciate the cocaine sentiment but that isnt the issue being discussed).
There’s a portion of society that want the [unionist] 12th July bonfires, and they’re funded by the council, and that’s totally fine. I’m just jel. I want a big street party like theirs! Like we have Paddy’s Day, but the 12th July goes on for two days. I wish I could go there, take loads of cocaine and hit a big drum. They get the best cocaine in Belfast!”

How old are you 😆

This is hilarious. We’re getting a really clear picture of the Kneecap supporters on here.

Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah.

But they shouted up Hezbollah up Hamas while one of them was draped in a Hezbollah flag so that is a bare-faced lie.

We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual.

But they dud exactly that. The statements they made are unambigous. I've seen better apologies from politicians.

They backtracked very quickly once their gigs were cancelled. ….
so fingers crossed 🤞 no more photos of them reading The Voice of Hezbollah

That is a quote from kneecap, once again flying in the face of the repeated, and unevidenced, assertion that they are sectarian.

God they sound more stupid than I thought.

Stupid but not sectarian?