Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

I think you have posted consistently, and repeatedly.

As have you. What is your point? If I'm quoted and challenged I will respond. It is a chat forum, that's what happens. Maybe kneecaps fan page may be a better place for you if you just want everyone agreeing?

Come on now fangirl is inappropriate, maybe 15/ 20 years ago but not now. 😁. As for shutting Kneecap up, they've only just started. For a long, long time many have tried and repeatedly failed to shut the community up. Didn't work then, won't work now. The arrogance of those who think they know better, forgetting the very basics of decency and humanity. Thankfully more and more are waking up to the evil being carried out by Israel.

This is true because they learn from their mistakes. It shows maturity.

However they now have a much bigger audience and I'm excited to hear what they do with that.

Am I allowed to reply as you've quoted me?

They will not say kill your MP again or up hamas, I'd bet a tenner on it. So yes they've been shut up.

Probably, and rightly, they won’t say those things but now they can say Free Palestine as they always have and will continue to do and be heard by many more people.

There are so many other words to say though 😊 and they said them so well at coachella. I'm guessing there'll be more of that.

I also love that so many artists have come out in defence of them... some speaking for the first time!

An properly balanced take
https://www.lbc.co.uk/opinion/views/no-kneecap-there-isnt-a-conspiracy-against-you/

And from this you will obviously be accepting that you too could benefit from deviating from a fundamentally fixed viewpoint? You accept the writers view that they aren't the hatefest that you perceived them to be, that they draw support from both communities in NI and that they don't support or encourage a return to sectarian violence?

Who has said they can't say free palestine?!

It's the incitement & hatred that was the issue.

Following your hundreds of posts on this topic this is what you put forward as properly balanced?

These extracts sum up all that is wrong with that article
'A key driver of this is based on the group’s ‘understanding’ of Anglo-Irish history and the Troubles, a history steeped in sectarian division and killing'.
'As the Troubles escalated, hatred-driven between two groups led to an increasing amount of violent rhetoric against one another. That pathway quickly became one of bitter sectarian division, bombings and targeted killings. A contributing factor of this was the inability to consider more than one fixed viewpoint, even as violence spread'

The article makes no reference to what led to the civil rights movement and what led to many Catholic/Nationalists taking to the streets in protest. This is Kneecap's background. The article fails to reference the blatant discrimination that existed and still exists in some areas of society today. It fails offer any explanation for ' a history steeped in sectarian division'

No mention of large sections of the Catholic/Nationalist community (parents and grandparents of Kneecap members) being deprived of a vote due to gerrymandering and Unionist domination even in areas where the majority of the population were Catholic/Nationalist. This, because unless you owned property or paid rates you were not entitled to a vote. If you owned a business you were entitled to further votes but if you worked in that business, you were not.
No mention of large sections of Catholic/Nationalist community being discriminated against when it came to employment. Often an employer went no further than to ask what school you went to, to reject your chances of employment.
No mention of discrimination when it came to the allocation of public housing.
No mention of how difficult it was for Catholic/Nationalists to access higher education.
No mention of the police force, it's discrimination ( still exists today) and the mob known as BSpecials who were brutal in Catholic/Nationalist areas.

All of the above has happened in the memories of many people who still live today in Belfast and beyond. Not in ancient history as some would have you believe.

Your acceptance of such an article as balanced makes me question why you have devoted lots of time and effort in this thread. What you need to realise we don't bow down anymore and this croppy and many, many others won't lie down either.

'Following your hundreds of posts on this topic this is what you put forward as properly balanced?'

Why do you keep sneering like this? No mention of the 100s of posts from the kneecap supporters. Did you see a pp say David Amess wasn't a lovely person due to his beliefs? This is the stuff that has caused a lengthy discussion, the bile and vitriol.

Whatever the history in ni kneecap could try a bit of peace rhetoric no? Mind, now they had been stopped with the bollocks they spouted about terrorists and murdering MPs maybe they will. Aw wouldn't that be nice kneecap at Glastonbury with a peace banner .

Yes - a bit of peace rhetoric would be welcome!
Or even a bit of acknowledgment that the IRA terrorised their own Catholic/ Nationalist communities ( just as Hamas do to the Palestinians)
Nothing balanced about the Kneecap supporters on here unfortunately.

I have no intention of responding to any mouth frothing posts btw

Thank you, promoting peace and love would be great, instead of preaching hatred and inciting terrorism and acts of violence. I realise I sound like a hippy here, but surely the last thing Northern Ireland needs is further inflammation?

It would be great to see more positive music celebrating Irish language and culture, and condemnation of Kneecap.

have you evidence that the person who commented on David Amess was ‘a Kneecap supporter’? They posted once to discredit the man and left unless I’m mistaken.. Personally, living in Ireland, I know of the horrific murder but wasn’t aware of his political history, he didn’t seem to hold a senior position. I’d imagine I’m not alone amongst Irish posters. Many posters, have been fairly balanced, all have said they were wrong to say what they said. You can continue to polarise the discussion and ignore others experiences but you are missing out on a chance to promote peace.

What if they made a movie depicting the IRA as violent thugs, terrorising their own community, taxing drug dealers despite their professed opposition to drugs?
Or if instead of peace rhetoric they took action and provided financial support to community groups from both nationalist and unionist backgrounds? Engaged with working class loyalists, promoted artists from the traditionally loyalist community?
Would that satisfy you mo chara?

What are you referring to that they said so well?

"Free Free Palestine" ❤️

From Hamas.

It’s fairly easy to google but here’s a few cut and pastes from guardian and bbc for balance!

The first message said: "Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people," followed by: "It is being enabled by the US government who arm and fund Israel despite their war crimes," and a final screen added: "[Expletive] Israel. Free Palestine."
During the performance, band member Mo Chara said: "The Irish not so long ago were persecuted at the hands of the Brits, but we were never bombed from the... skies with nowhere to go.
"The Palestinians have nowhere to go."
The band also led the audience in chants of: "Free, free Palestine".

”Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people” and “It is being enabled by the US government who arm and fund Israel despite their war crimes.” Another read: “Fuck Israel. Free Palestine.”
During the set, Kneecap member Mo Chara also criticised Israel’s bombing of Gaza, saying: “The Palestinians have nowhere to go. It’s their fucking home and they’re bombing them from the skies. If you’re not calling it a genocide, what the fuck are you calling it?”

Well that’s all factual and perfectly reasonable

'Thank you, promoting peace and love would be great, instead of preaching hatred and inciting terrorism and acts of violence. I realise I sound like a hippy here, but surely the last thing Northern Ireland needs is further inflammation?'

It seems to be the mentality with many sadly.

I can understand bitterness and resentment can fester but they are such destructive emotions and to use a platform to whip up hate, when this trio have allegedly been brought up in such a divided community? Just why.

Once again for the slow readers, kneecap are not inflaming tensions in Northern Ireland.

If 'stop the genocide' isn't a message of peace and love I don't what is.

'During the performance, band member Mo Chara said: "The Irish not so long ago were persecuted at the hands of the Brits, but we were never bombed from the... skies with nowhere to go."The Palestinians have nowhere to go."

They weren't bombed from the skies no, they just shot each other instead. The British army's deployment ended in 2007 nearly 20yrs ago. Gang warfare and tribalism are clearly still rife though.

"The Palestinians have nowhere to go."

Yes, hamas hid among the palestinians true, which tragically meant civilians were killed too.

'If 'stop the genocide' isn't a message of peace and love I don't what is'

It's the up hamas terrorist cheering and kill your mp that we're on about.