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He no longer wants kids

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Lizzielost · 23/04/2025 08:19

I’m a bit lost here so was hoping for some opinions on my current position please.

I’m 41 and have been with my partner, 39, for 8 years (1 engaged). We are currently renovating our first home together and I love him to bits. He is the only person who has ever completely understood me and he has helped me to grow so much while we’ve been together. I’ve also supported him and helped him to grow into someone who is more secure and aware of his own value. He is a kind person and thinks of me a lot.

From the very start, we both wanted children. We’ve had so many conversations about it that it was never really considered to be an issue, until last year. My partner has been through some difficult times over the last 2-3 years (including the loss of a parent and an increase in narcissistic behaviour from the remaining parent as well as significant work stress) and he has been in a very dark place at times. Now that we are finally in a position where we have some security to try for a child (as my age is already against me somewhat) he has decided that he no longer wants a child.

He didn’t tell me outright for some time. It’s been a topic of conversation for 16 months and he only admitted it at the end of last year. His response has always been either just a quiet grunt, ‘ok’ or no response at all with a look akin to a deer caught in the headlights. In the meantime I have to mix with his friends and all of their children and he doesn’t seem to see how difficult that is for me.

I had a coil which I was struggling with (pain, heavy periods etc) and he suggested getting it removed about 2.5 years ago and trying for a baby then. By the time I’d managed to have it removed 4 months later though, he’d changed his mind and I went on the pill. It doesn’t agree with me (moods, loss of desire etc) and this also seems to have caused some issues between us, even though there is little I can do to change that without coming off the pill.

We talk about it but I usually end up upset and, to try to pacify me, he says that we can try. I know he is only saying that and doesn’t mean it though so I ask him to speak about it the following day, when things have calmed, and he doesn’t. This has happened at least 10 times now and it is hurting.

If he had told me properly about his change of heart then I would not have bought the house with him. Really, I had little idea of how things had changed with him.

Over the last few days things seem to have come to a head. I just can’t cope with him almost playing games now and, after being upset a couple of nights ago and sleeping on the couch, I’ve told him that we can’t continue and that we need to split before I hate him for this. The situation is difficult, with the house renovation, and we’ll probably end up having to keep going with this for a bit until we can sell it and move on.

My head is telling me I’m overreacting and that I can’t leave him as he is everything to me. I just can’t keep being dragged down by this baby thing as it is taking over my
life and I’m beginning to hate him for it. It is, to me, a point of fundamental incompatibility and I feel betrayed. My mind is reeling - do we go for counselling to see if we can deal with this? Is it dead in the water now, even with the love on both sides? I can’t see up for down at the minute and I don’t know whether I’m talking myself round, only to be stuck again. I probably won’t go on to have children anyway if we split. I’m quite shy and finding someone new to trust in that way probably won’t be doable in time for me to try for a child. I just don’t know what to do at the moment. Has anyone got any thoughts on this please?

OP posts:
fetchacloth · 23/04/2025 19:28

This would be a deal breaker for me. Enough to end the relationship.

Enthusiasticcarrotgrower · 23/04/2025 19:30

You absolutely aren’t overreacting.

I’m so sorry but he sounds like the kind of jerk who will decide when he’s 45 that actually he’s desperate for kids after all.

Crankyaboutfood · 23/04/2025 19:34

I am so sorry, but I have to agree with this. If you want a child take matters into your own hands.

2025willbemytime · 23/04/2025 19:34

EmmaWoodhouseOfHighbury · 23/04/2025 19:06

I think you might regret it if you leave him. It's very slim pickings out there.

WTF

ttcat37 · 23/04/2025 19:38

My head is telling me I’m overreacting

Overreacting? He’s potentially taken away your chances of having children by deceiving you. I think you’re within your rights to lose your shit at him. I could not stay with someone who stole something so precious.

Crankyaboutfood · 23/04/2025 19:45

also, you sound lovely. you can’t force someone to want a child, but he seems less lovely than you think. You also seem stronger and more capable than you give yourself credit for. Don’t be afraid to take control of your life here. you are strong.

Littlemisscapable · 23/04/2025 20:07

VictoriaSponge987 · 23/04/2025 18:20

It’s not untrue. You have less than 5% chance per month at 40 1-2% at 43. Lots of women make up that small percentage with a population like the UK. And lots of women use fertility treatment including donor eggs. I’m not being cruel. Being unrealistic is cruel.

Gosh I agree, I really don't know "lots" of people who had a baby in their 40s..anyone I know had loads of problems/never got pregnant. And the OP is 41 already. This is so difficult..

IrritatedEarthling · 23/04/2025 20:11

VictoriaSponge987 · 23/04/2025 18:20

It’s not untrue. You have less than 5% chance per month at 40 1-2% at 43. Lots of women make up that small percentage with a population like the UK. And lots of women use fertility treatment including donor eggs. I’m not being cruel. Being unrealistic is cruel.

I think talking in terms of 5% chance is putting something into statistics which doesn't quite fit. If you play the lottery you have a statistically fair chance same as the next player of winning.

We cannot apply the same logic to conception as we don't all have the same number of tickets. The fact that five out of a hundred women over 40 might conceive isn't helpful to those who don't have any tickets- or eggs - left, because crucially, they have no idea what they have at any given moment.

Being able to conceive in a given month isn't down to statistics. My dear friend hasn't been able to conceive again after her first as she discovered that her egg supply had effectively failed in her early 30s. My sister couldn't have a second after the age of 30.

I myself am pregnant now aged 41, and have been lucky enough to get pregnant on the first or second month every time, with good eggs, but this is my twelfth pregnancy as I've had nine losses [five losses were late enough to be genetically tested, and all were genetically healthy, so good eggs]

The point is, we are all very different, and while it is possible to get pregnant and have a healthy pregnancy into our 40s, no-one really knows how late they can go until they try.

What is sad is these men who faff about and make promises to women and then change their minds. I do feel that Op's DP is depressed following the traumatic events of the last few years, and I think some calm conversations would help. She might also want to visit her GP to have her fertility tested.

In any case I wish the both of them the strength to get through this together, whether they end up single, together, or as a family.

LudvillasCave · 23/04/2025 20:20

JLou08 · 23/04/2025 18:57

She knew that he backtracked after she cried. Look at it this way, if a woman said they didn't want sex, the man cried and then woman has sex to please him, is that consensual? Or should the man realise that she doesn't want sex and not go ahead with it?

Yes, it’s consensual! It’d be a shag for the wrong reasons (sympathy shag – eugh), but it’s still a choice

Mumof2girls2121 · 23/04/2025 20:21

Politely if you want a baby, why are you supplying all the contraceptives 😂

LooserWooner77 · 23/04/2025 20:48

OP, a relative went through Sperm donation or IVF at 40 and success the second time. A pal got pregnant via IVF early 50s.

It's not out of the realms of possibility, if you want a child.

Gundogday · 23/04/2025 21:29

Enthusiasticcarrotgrower · 23/04/2025 19:30

You absolutely aren’t overreacting.

I’m so sorry but he sounds like the kind of jerk who will decide when he’s 45 that actually he’s desperate for kids after all.

Yes. Common situation.

The Op and dp have been together for years when dp decides doesn’t want baby (after saying he does) . Op leaves (approx 30 years old) , as can’t cope with future without children. Within two years, dp has met someone else moved in and had a child by them.

MsCactus · 23/04/2025 21:53

Littlemisscapable · 23/04/2025 20:07

Gosh I agree, I really don't know "lots" of people who had a baby in their 40s..anyone I know had loads of problems/never got pregnant. And the OP is 41 already. This is so difficult..

I agree. A 1-3% chance of conception is the same likelihood of someone in their twenties/early 30s falling pregnant while using condoms, as they're only 97% effective.

It's really quite unlikely you'll be able to have a healthy pregnancy at 41. Across an entire population of course they'll be thousands of people who do so (just as they'll be thousands of younger people who fall pregnant while using contraception) - but that doesn't mean it's not rare

TrainGame · 23/04/2025 23:04

OP as someone married to some autistic I can say it’s been very hard work doing it all by myself. Babies are very very hard on many autistic people. Of course it’s possible to have them but it’s like throwing a bomb into your very carefully calibrated life. Perhaps your partner already feels he makes adjustments for your ND and he’s worried he’d be overwhelmed with more adjustments that a baby would surely bring. Perhaps he’s unaware of these feelings. But that’s my hunch. I’ve made big adjustments for my partner and being parents together has been a very lonely experience for me.

in addition to this as autism is heritable there’s a good chance your child will have autism also.

Having two autistic children myself I can tell you it’s been an incredibly hard journey as they have struggled so badly at school and with friendships. It never ever stops, the sadness and rejection. I sometimes feel I can’t carry on.

im not sure if you follow Spectrumy on Facebook who is autistic and has two autistic children. She’s well worth reading. Shes had an a very hard time of it.

Im not saying dont do it but be aware of what will change and the possibilities of having a ND child. You will need to be very very strong,

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100044510616450

She has 250,000 followers on Facebook.

Fletchasketch · 24/04/2025 07:54

MsCactus · 23/04/2025 21:53

I agree. A 1-3% chance of conception is the same likelihood of someone in their twenties/early 30s falling pregnant while using condoms, as they're only 97% effective.

It's really quite unlikely you'll be able to have a healthy pregnancy at 41. Across an entire population of course they'll be thousands of people who do so (just as they'll be thousands of younger people who fall pregnant while using contraception) - but that doesn't mean it's not rare

As a 41 year old woman who has been pregnant twice in the last six months, I can tell you this is fundamentally not correct. The likelihood of a live birth if you start trying at 41 is 50% and the stats are outdated- it’s more like an 8% chance per month. This isn’t something I’ve googled, it’s the information provided by the doctors at the miscarriage clinic I’m with. These are averages of course, but believe me, I wouldn’t be carrying on if the chances were so low.

LudvillasCave · 24/04/2025 08:06

Fletchasketch · 24/04/2025 07:54

As a 41 year old woman who has been pregnant twice in the last six months, I can tell you this is fundamentally not correct. The likelihood of a live birth if you start trying at 41 is 50% and the stats are outdated- it’s more like an 8% chance per month. This isn’t something I’ve googled, it’s the information provided by the doctors at the miscarriage clinic I’m with. These are averages of course, but believe me, I wouldn’t be carrying on if the chances were so low.

With an 8% chance (or thereabouts) each month, the probability of becoming pregnant in a year is apparently 75%. This doesn’t sound right either though? I suppose that’s on the basis of no problems whatsoever on the male side, whereas in reality, age affects men’s fertility too.

Jennalong · 24/04/2025 08:11

My sister's friend had this , got with a man that had two dc from previous marriage .
Dated , met the dcs after a reasonable time , got along fine together etc .
A few years moved on , got engaged , again a few years on .
Friend got to around just after mid 30s , still no marriage and despite him saying open to having a child with her when time was right , for him it never was .
He then admitted , he changed his mind a few years previous and thought an engagement would be enough for her.
It wasn't , she finished with him and at just under age 40 , investigated having a baby alone , and went to a company for a sperm donor and is now expecting her go it alone baby .

Askingforafriendtoday · 24/04/2025 08:13

Just saying: 2 healthy children at age 41 and 43 respectively, much older husband. ( 2 miscarriages inbetween live birtgs and 1 following youngest).
I do understand that OP's ND adds a considerable complication...feel for you OP ++++

The13thFairy · 24/04/2025 08:43

Clockface8 · 23/04/2025 08:25

Your first home together… so only recently moved in together? Or lived together for some time and just bought together?

You're trapped now, with the house, so now he is letting his real self seep out. I am sorry for your loss - the loss of the child you might have had, and the loss of the man you thought was kind. You're right about one thing, though - he really does understand you. He's played you like a fiddle. Please think about moving toward a life without this misbegotten git in it. You can be content alone, you really can.

pinkdelight · 24/04/2025 09:00

LudvillasCave · 24/04/2025 08:06

With an 8% chance (or thereabouts) each month, the probability of becoming pregnant in a year is apparently 75%. This doesn’t sound right either though? I suppose that’s on the basis of no problems whatsoever on the male side, whereas in reality, age affects men’s fertility too.

I'm pretty bad at maths but I don't think that's how percentages work - 8% a month becoming 75% a year. If the chance on not becoming pregnant each month is 92%, then the chance of a pregnancy in a year is no way getting close to 75%. And it's as much about being able to keep the pregnancy to term as it it to get pregnant. There's lots of different figures being given on this thread, plus the usual 'my friend got pregnant no problem at 48', but unless OP starts trying or gets her fertility checked out, she's no way of knowing what her reality will be.

Fletchasketch · 24/04/2025 09:06

pinkdelight · 24/04/2025 09:00

I'm pretty bad at maths but I don't think that's how percentages work - 8% a month becoming 75% a year. If the chance on not becoming pregnant each month is 92%, then the chance of a pregnancy in a year is no way getting close to 75%. And it's as much about being able to keep the pregnancy to term as it it to get pregnant. There's lots of different figures being given on this thread, plus the usual 'my friend got pregnant no problem at 48', but unless OP starts trying or gets her fertility checked out, she's no way of knowing what her reality will be.

Exactly. It’s 0.92 to the power of 12 which is a 37% chance of not getting pregnant. As many have pointed out, these numbers vary wildly based on individual circumstance. It’s valid to say it may not possible, but equally valid to say there’s a good chance of success. The first step is to get tested, though I think the OP may have made a different decision, I wish her all the luck and happiness.

KimberleyClark · 24/04/2025 09:10

LooserWooner77 · 23/04/2025 20:48

OP, a relative went through Sperm donation or IVF at 40 and success the second time. A pal got pregnant via IVF early 50s.

It's not out of the realms of possibility, if you want a child.

I presume your pal had donor eggs?

LudvillasCave · 24/04/2025 09:11

pinkdelight · 24/04/2025 09:00

I'm pretty bad at maths but I don't think that's how percentages work - 8% a month becoming 75% a year. If the chance on not becoming pregnant each month is 92%, then the chance of a pregnancy in a year is no way getting close to 75%. And it's as much about being able to keep the pregnancy to term as it it to get pregnant. There's lots of different figures being given on this thread, plus the usual 'my friend got pregnant no problem at 48', but unless OP starts trying or gets her fertility checked out, she's no way of knowing what her reality will be.

I used a cumulative probability calculator online 🤷🏻‍♀️ I didn’t think it sounded right either.

And yes, agree

LudvillasCave · 24/04/2025 09:12

KimberleyClark · 24/04/2025 09:10

I presume your pal had donor eggs?

Why? Plenty of people use their own eggs at 40.

LudvillasCave · 24/04/2025 09:13

LudvillasCave · 24/04/2025 09:12

Why? Plenty of people use their own eggs at 40.

Edited

Ah, I guess you’re talking about the 50 yo! Yes I assumed she’d frozen embryos at a younger age or similar