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Daughter to get ensuite bathroom.

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Rhudson1992 · 23/04/2025 00:10

My husband and myself are set to purchase a 4 bedroom 3 bath home, the fist level having the primary suite and attached bath, and the 2nd and 3rd bedroom with hall bath. The 2nd level has 1 bedroom with attached bathroom and a small searing area just outside the bedroom. My original plan was to put daughter (4) in the upstairs bedroom and use the living space as a playroom of sorts. That would mean my stepson (12) would stay in 1 of the 2 bedrooms on the lower level with the hall bath.
Stepson has decided its unfair that he not get his own bathroom. My though was he is sooner to be coming and going on his own than daughter and is no longer in need of the extra play area as he is involved in activites outside the home. I also see it that a developing girl (down the line) might like more privacy from her brother and his friends.

Would it be unreasonable to put her upstairs and him downstairs?

OP posts:
Madcats · 23/04/2025 12:55

Are you the sort of family who has kids round to play/socialise?

A lot of my friends have converted their attics when their children hit their teens. It works well when friends come round (they don’t disturb their parents 2 floors down ). We’re in a townhouse and don’t regret putting DD on our top floor.

Personally I’d hesitate to give an <10 an ensuite. Even if your DC aren’t idiots they are bound to have a friend who is!
I’d also want to have a small child within earshot at night. I’d hesitate to have them a floor apart when you can’t hear them/see that they aren’t going to sleep.

A good compromise would be to suggest a re-arrangement at 16 or 18.

Starlight1984 · 23/04/2025 13:02

RedSkyDelights · 23/04/2025 09:58

People are seeing "wicked stepmother" because OP's arguments for giving her DD the top floor room are extremely weak. For example, suggesting that it's important to have 12 year old SS close at hand for supervision, whilst it's seemingly ok for a 4 year old to be two floors away with unsupervised access to a bathroom with bathtub. Hence people are assuming there is a different reason, and OP is making up other ones to justify her position.

I agree. And I say that as a step-mum! Ridiculous excuses to get her DD the "best" room.

Needing to keep an eye on DSS and his friends?! Um... What?! Why on earth would you need - or want! - to be within earshot of a 12 year old boy and his friends?!

DSD (13) has her friends over and they go upstairs to her room, door closed, giggling, music / TikTok blaring out. No supervision needed.

A 4 year old on her own floor with an en suite apparently needs no supervision though?! Ok then 😂

StrawberrySquash · 23/04/2025 13:06

The only thing with putting the teenager up the top is that you could set up a dynamic where he lives up there and doesn't appear in family areas. But that's always a teenage issue that they can live in their bedrooms!

MellowPinkDeer · 23/04/2025 13:07

@Rhudson1992how often is your stepson with you overnight?

MellowPinkDeer · 23/04/2025 13:09

Lampzade · 23/04/2025 11:44

Then why didn’t Op suggest that both DSS and her DD remain on the same floor as Op and her DH.
This wanting to keep an eye on her DSS just seems to be a convenient excuse

This is what I think the op should do. Then have the top floor for guests.

AthWat · 23/04/2025 13:11

MellowPinkDeer · 23/04/2025 13:09

This is what I think the op should do. Then have the top floor for guests.

Why on earth would you give your children worse living conditions and save the best for guests? I know people do this. It's insane, in my view. Give your kids what they need and if guests have to sleep in a tent in the garden, then that's what they have to do.

MellowPinkDeer · 23/04/2025 13:17

AthWat · 23/04/2025 13:11

Why on earth would you give your children worse living conditions and save the best for guests? I know people do this. It's insane, in my view. Give your kids what they need and if guests have to sleep in a tent in the garden, then that's what they have to do.

You make it sounds like the children are going to be living in a slum!!! they will be fine, altogether , no arguments , to review when they are all older. We are still missing a crucial bit of info here about how often step son is there but I’d assume the OP has gone now after all the step mum bashing started.

it he is only there once or twice a week then that’s still a waste ( and loads more unnecessary cleaning etc)

Calliopespa · 23/04/2025 13:22

RedSkyDelights · 23/04/2025 12:52

I can see your point of view, OP. A 4YO has a lot of big toys and having a separate playroom is better for everyone’s quality of life - no constant clutter and mess in the living areas, and she can leave out dens, railway tracks, Lego and craft projects for the next day without needing to tidy away mid game.

I don't think having a "small seating area just outside the bedroom" is going to achieve any of this.

It also sounds as though the play area is near the top of the stairs.

Cucy · 23/04/2025 13:23

I would prefer to keep an eye on my 4yo.

Surely it’s no different from any other child playing in their room with their friends.

Surely the DSS can’t be so bad that you’d sacrifice a 4yo being on her own on a different floor every night.

I actually think you want a floor to yourself and as the DSS isn’t there very often it’s more convenient for you to shove poor DD upstairs.

SpryUmberZebra · 23/04/2025 13:33

Bloozie · 23/04/2025 09:19

Trusting a 4-year old to have unrestricted access to an en-suite is... brave.

She doesn't need it yet. You acknowledge that when she's older, she might want the privacy. You have an older kid - the stepson. He needs the privacy right now. Your decision makes me sad for your stepson. It reeks of favouritism tbh. There's nothing practical or safe about having such a young child sleeping on a different floor to you with access to running water while you're asleep.

I absolutely agree with you, there’s definitely a lot more to the story and background with her DSS.

springsprungsprang · 23/04/2025 13:46

KnickerFolder · 23/04/2025 12:27

I can see your point of view, OP. A 4YO has a lot of big toys and having a separate playroom is better for everyone’s quality of life - no constant clutter and mess in the living areas, and she can leave out dens, railway tracks, Lego and craft projects for the next day without needing to tidy away mid game.

My DC all had en suites from birth, I’m not sure it is any more dangerous than a family bathroom. A child can just as easily get into trouble unseen in any bathroom.

My DC were pretty sensible but the 10-13 years were a bit of a nightmare with some of DS’s friends. They needed more supervision than toddlers 😂 Climbing scaffolding, skiing down the stairs, throwing water bombs, pushing each other in the pool fully clothed… (that was all just one friend at one party!).

I also agree with PP’s though. Four is too young to be sleeping on a different floor, you don’t want a playroom 2 floors away from the living areas, your DSS is getting to an age when he will need privacy more than your DD. It’s also not very practical to have the only bath in anyone’s bedroom, especially one who goes to bed at 7pm.

Do you have an alternative room that could be a playroom? Do you need the extra bedroom as an office or regular guest room? How often is your DSS there?

Without knowing the answer to those questions, I would suggest it’s better to have them both on the same floor as you. When they are older, they can have the top floor rooms for their later teen years. For now, make the top floor a shared kid’s space. Use the top bedroom as a guest room with a sofa or sofa bed so it can be a teen chill out/gaming space too. Use the seating area as toy storage and occasional playroom eg for play dates or games that need space. Or vice versa. It also means everyone has access to the bath.

I think this is the winner 🏆 top floor as guest room/home office even perhaps, with chillout zone/snug.

AthWat · 23/04/2025 13:48

MellowPinkDeer · 23/04/2025 13:17

You make it sounds like the children are going to be living in a slum!!! they will be fine, altogether , no arguments , to review when they are all older. We are still missing a crucial bit of info here about how often step son is there but I’d assume the OP has gone now after all the step mum bashing started.

it he is only there once or twice a week then that’s still a waste ( and loads more unnecessary cleaning etc)

Yeah, absolute waste to give a child who is there twice a week a nice room when you could save it to impress your relatives who visit once every two years.

springsprungsprang · 23/04/2025 13:50

AthWat · 23/04/2025 13:48

Yeah, absolute waste to give a child who is there twice a week a nice room when you could save it to impress your relatives who visit once every two years.

Edited

The bath thing has sold it for me. Plus neither kid can complain if they are both on the same floor with a shared bathroom 😆 I like the idea of a chilled snug area for upstairs where everyone can watch a film or play Lego after bath time, too. Also means a hang out zone available for teens.

Phoenixfire1988 · 23/04/2025 14:03

A 4 year old doesn't need a private bathroom and frankly I wouldn't trust them with one either and frankly it's dangerous. the oldest should get the upstairs bedroom and the 4 year old on the same level as you . Sounds to me like you want YOUR child to have the best room whether it makes sense or not ( and it doesnt) the 12 year old is going to hit puberty soon your daughter won't for quite a few years yet by which point he may be away at uni or moved out so rooms can be switched anyway

Phoenixfire1988 · 23/04/2025 14:10

Rhudson1992 · 23/04/2025 08:51

My thought was I was more easily able to keep an eye on DSS and friends as they would be in earshot.
The bedrooms are similar in size and the upstairs is the bathtub bathroom.
No I'm not planning more children.

You need to keep an eye on a 12 yo but it's absolutely fine to have a 4 year old on a different floor with unmonitored and unrestricted access to a bathroom? that's some mental gymnastics you've done there to try and get out out of having to be honest and just say your child is the priority and you want her to have the best bedroom not your ss

Gigglydancybox · 23/04/2025 14:21

Personally I wouldn’t want my 4 year old upstairs alone. I’d have her on the same level as me and the ss upstairs to give him more room to have his mates over and she can move up when he has flown the nest.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 23/04/2025 14:24

Kubricklayer · 23/04/2025 11:39

There's some serious parenting failings if a 12 yo can't be trusted to have some freedom and privacy with their friends in a house which has other adults present. And stifling their independence by insisting big brother monitors their every movement and conversation isn't going to help them become more responsible.

There are no parenting fails here thanks. The degree of maturity at age twelve varies for many reasons and our son has a few issues which would make me think twice about this kind of set up until he’s a bit older - that’s all. And l didn’t say we monitor their every movement or conversation - far from it. Do you always reach like this just to insult ?

hellofromtheotherside25 · 23/04/2025 14:41

Ponderingwindow · 23/04/2025 00:22

I would want a 4yo on the same floor as me. I would put 12yo upstairs, but on the understanding he gets it until university age. So in approx 6 years they will swap.

That way you have her close to you when she is little, but the kids going through puberty get some privacy.

older teen will be starting to pull away a bit or may only be at home part-time so it’s a natural time to give up the “best” room.

Agree

Rhudson1992 · 23/04/2025 14:50

I refer to my DSS as stepson as he dose have a mother and although she is not around consistently I still feel like she is important and respect her roll as his mother, as I would hope the same for my DD if that were the case.
And yes so far my DSS has required more supervision than DD.
I do see the point about them on the same level, I hadn't considered having to deep clean several bathrooms and I'm not certain DSS would maintain it, we would have to practice.
So far it's sounds like both children on main level but have DSS use the extra space when he has friends over. Then he can help keep the space clean and is offered privacy with his mates but also is not solely responsible for maintaining the entire space, and would separate DD from older boys visiting.

OP posts:
Theworldisinyourhands · 23/04/2025 14:54

Rhudson1992 · 23/04/2025 14:50

I refer to my DSS as stepson as he dose have a mother and although she is not around consistently I still feel like she is important and respect her roll as his mother, as I would hope the same for my DD if that were the case.
And yes so far my DSS has required more supervision than DD.
I do see the point about them on the same level, I hadn't considered having to deep clean several bathrooms and I'm not certain DSS would maintain it, we would have to practice.
So far it's sounds like both children on main level but have DSS use the extra space when he has friends over. Then he can help keep the space clean and is offered privacy with his mates but also is not solely responsible for maintaining the entire space, and would separate DD from older boys visiting.

Why not give him the chance to prove himself? 'You can have the top floor to yourself as long as it's kept clean and hygenic and you take responsibility for cleaning the bathroom. If it becomes a health hazard the top floor will be off limits to all children for a while' Remember if it is his space it will kindof be out of sight out of mind so as long as it doesn't smell bad or is gravely unhygenic it isn't really a problem.Also it would be good for him to learn to keep his own space clean for when he moves out.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 23/04/2025 14:56

Cucy · 23/04/2025 13:23

I would prefer to keep an eye on my 4yo.

Surely it’s no different from any other child playing in their room with their friends.

Surely the DSS can’t be so bad that you’d sacrifice a 4yo being on her own on a different floor every night.

I actually think you want a floor to yourself and as the DSS isn’t there very often it’s more convenient for you to shove poor DD upstairs.

We don’t know how often DSS is there so yet another reach just to be insulting.

Rhudson1992 · 23/04/2025 15:05

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 23/04/2025 14:56

We don’t know how often DSS is there so yet another reach just to be insulting.

He's here full time. Occasional days out with mom.

OP posts:
nomas · 23/04/2025 15:08

Rhudson1992 · 23/04/2025 15:05

He's here full time. Occasional days out with mom.

OMG! OP, he must have the en-suite! Please!

Rhudson1992 · 23/04/2025 15:20

Would it be appropriate to do a trail run with him upstairs before setting up the full bedroom? Like fully decorating, paint new furniture ect.
I say he has required more supervision because of some concerning behavior in our current home like burning the carpet and putting large holes in the wall of his current bedroom. We have been addressing this behavior and it has improved over the last year but im still concerned for his safety and the upkeep of the house.
I do agree about daughter having access to bathroom alone although so far she has shown no interest in playing in a bathroom. I guess that could change if the opportunity presented itself.
Also would giving him more responsibility be better? Maybe more of a sense of pride and wanting to keep it nice?

OP posts:
MellowPinkDeer · 23/04/2025 15:22

Rhudson1992 · 23/04/2025 15:05

He's here full time. Occasional days out with mom.

Oh bloody hell OP, in that case of course he needs the space!

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