Are men going to now wholeheartedly welcome trans women into their spaces? Utterly brilliant if so ...

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Embracing the full breadth of what it means to be a man

Well, do it now and if you're reported then he won't be swimming, will he? The law isn't there to appease your son in isolation of the rights of women.

I've referred repeatedly to facilities with family changing rooms. They exist. If I needed to take a child with special needs (>8) of the opposite sex swimming then I would google to find a pool with these. That's where we'd go. I wouldn't take them to my gym/pool because I would only have the women's changing room - and that's out of bounds.

I'm a woman. Watch me figure it out!

Sigh….

Read the OP.

I would take him to a pool he wanted to go to, or that I felt best met his needs regardless of what spaces are available, and that’s basically the end of that story.

As I said, you’d have to stoop fairly low to report a disabled 8 year old, but if that’s what you’d do - go for it.

You. I would be reporting you. Without a flash of regret because of your low behaviour and disregard for other women.

<shrugs> I don't care.

No, you evidently do not care.

Low behaviour for not avoiding a swimming pool to prevent you from feeling unsafe in the presence of a child?

Okay 😂

I highly doubt anyone likes taking there 8 year plus CHILDREN into women’s changing rooms but sometimes you are left with no choice. If my son wants to go swimming it’s up to every gym/swimming pool complex to provide a safe place for him to get changed. If they can’t then he’ll come into the ladies with me. Just to add I have never once seen naked girls/women walking around, everyone is in a cubicle. Women are scared of men in their space.. Mums don’t want to send their child sons into a room to get changed alone, for really really obvious reasons.
I hope that this issue now forces gyms and places with male/female toilets to provide a safe third space for everyone who needs it.

Why can’t you just find one with unisex changing, rather than stampeding all over other people as though you and your child are the only one’s who matter?

Or, you might have to find an alternative that does have these family changing facilities. That is also a choice. The facility itself doesn't have to find an alternative changing area if they don't have one/can't make one.

A child of 8 is permitted in women's changing rooms (in my gym/pool); older than that they aren't.

The most ridiculous examples have been given on this thread which was never about children in women's changing rooms at all...

Not getting any relevance at all.
Men have always belonged in men’s spaces, whether they’re small, old and feeble, vulnerable, whatever.
What exactly are you trying to say here? Do you know?

My gym has no cubicles so all the women are naked.

I would not report a mother though for changing her young, disabled child in the gym. I mean “8” really doesn’t look massively different to “6/7” and as a tall person who was a giant as a child height alone isn’t enough for me to tell.

I reckon you would have to really sad to report that.

If anyone ever wonders how we get these entitled males who literally do not think about the needs or wishes of their female peers, look at some of the (presumably) mothers posting on this thread. It's right here.

Your son is not more important than his female peers. They do not have to make way to meet his needs.

I’d happily take him unisex or family changing, wherever.

But similarly, let’s say the quietest pool only had single sex changing. Or the only pool that ran SEN sessions when we needed them. Or the pool on holiday. Or the pool with the best slides.

I’m not sacrificing a child’s needs for the sake of some grown women who are frightened of disabled children.

I wouldn’t give him a worse experience (in terms of actual leisure facilities) for your benefit.

I actually think the idea anyone would be bothered about or offended by a disabled 8 year old is bizarre.

But I don’t know a single parent who would sacrifice their kids needs incase Sandra who also uses the changing rooms doesn’t like it.

I'm concerned that if we made exemptions for some boys to change in the women's changing room at a pool, it's easy for more and more exemptions to be sought.

How old do you go up to - 10, 12, 14 or as long as he needs help? If he's with a female carer, when should she take him into the men's changing room? Never?

Why shouldn't the female carer take a disabled boy into the male changing room, is it not better for the boys dignity?

I guess there is an easy solution to the “disabled 8 year old boy in the women’s changing room” problem.

Just say he’s 7.

I mean.

The males we’re talking about don’t recognise days of the week, or night and day, nevermind what sex someone is.

Hardly the same.

What happens when he’s 12? Or 16?

Once again, because you keep ignoring it, what about the girls in the female changing room.

Not the grown women, the girls.

Your attitude that your son's needs (or wants for the good slides ) are part of the problem we're seeing here of men who genuinely think that women's spaces should be open to any men who don't want to use the men's spaces.

Reasonably, once he hits physical puberty we have a different issue, even if his development isn’t at that point.

I do think however that saying that men should be fine with a non-disabled woman in their space, so you can avoid a disabled male, is a touch hypocritical.

Personally, I’d have a chat with my girls about disability and why that child needs to be with his mother.

I’d be teaching them some compassion for people who are less able than them.

But - each to their own!

Yeah I don’t get that logic. The problem just goes elsewhere.

Girls won’t want a disabled boy in their space
Boys likewise will not want a girl in their space.

So basically parents should just refrain from being out with their opposite sex child.

No, I’m not in the spectrum, dear; nor do I struggle with simple concepts.
You, on the other hand…
The op is about trans women in men’s spaces.
Not old, weak men feeling endangered in the men’s.
You really are very, very strange.

We’ll stay at home, or he’ll have to be forever 7.

The topic was about men accepting trans women in their spaces. Nobody said the thread topic was “about old, weak men feeling endangered in men’s spaces”.

This is you, struggling to follow a thread. Again.

FWIW, in line with the actual thread.

I think trans women are potentially at risk in male spaces.

I think at best, men would ignore them. At worst, we’ll see an increase in transphobic hate crime in places like nightclub bathrooms.