Labour say transwomen should use the men’s toilet

[Kindersurprising]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-women-men-toilets-b8gt6l22c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHlJe7BiT-kgvjfusJpz2eq_AUSGDRI9eAMe5VNA0iX6U2qOUk-U0wPhPI98-_aem_Vfuvll1ZYKrZUa-vjh4QSA#Echobox=1745317525

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@TeenagersAngst
I am sorry. I genuinely thought you were serious.

You keep telling yourself that.

A trans woman sits on a bus, they are just using a service. No one is going to tell them they know they are a man in that scenario. That doesn't mean that they pass.

Oh to have the confidence of a trans woman. You've only got to look on twitter to see the men who really believe that they pass.

Errr because they would probably die. Similarly to how children who feel they are born in the wrong body often feel suicidal because of this. I think most parents would rather have a child change their gender than have a dead child

I doubt that very much.

Exactly this. All the sneering posters saying they can spot trans people a mile off are talking nonsense. Yes they may spot some, but they may pass as many in a day that they have no idea of:

and as I said before on this thread, saying that “the ones on tv don’t even pass” is more gibberish. You know they’re trans, so there’s nothing to spot 😒

This will GENUINELY affect some people to the point where they don’t feel able to use the loo/changing room while out in public, for fear of encountering someone who wants to challenge their genitalia based on their facial features. Be they trans, or just a woman not confident in their own bodies/appearance.

Would you like to have a quick look at the MoJ stats, and think carefully about what you mean… - unicorns could also be a problem

Well, they certainly don’t have a nob…

When my sister trained as a doctor back in the 00s they did a whole course on how to spot a post surgery trans woman. Even back then there were trans women who could even fool a medical professional.

She told me she was stunned by how realistic the surgery could be.

All these trans women; all of us walking part umpteen of them every time we leave the house.
I thought they were a tiny minority?

Just as women have been genuinely affected by men in their spaces.

These men are now in the press giving interviews saying that their biological sex is female and that they only transitioned because they happened to be born with the wrong genitals. So in their minds they are biological women and are making it clear they fully intend to keep using women's single sex spaces.

Looking at it from their pov it must be a pisser to have dressed up as a women, changed your name, swanned about helping yourself to women's hard earned rights and spaces all in the service of extracting validation from women and maintaining those womanly euphoria boners only for the illusion to be soundly shattered by this new clarification of the law which states they are indeed men. Must be quite the turn off for them. How dare women spoil the fun for them!

I thought bigoted women were a tiny minority too, but you can’t move on Mumsnet for falling over them

Yep, the suicide myth has been debunked too. Keep up!

Could you send me some names of genuine passing trans women. There must be some in the public eye. I may have inadvertently come across someone and not realised but if that is the case you would expect that statistically there would be someone in the public eye who passes. Knowing they are trans doesn’t mean we can’t genuinely go wow I would never have known.

You realise that transwomen ARE men, don't you?

A surgically fashioned hole (which has to be dilated because it’s basically a wound which constantly tries to heal itself) can be confused for an actual vagina by a medical professional?
Pull the other one.

Which part? I assure you I have known many young trans women, how many do you know?

As these are OUR female toilets, we DO get the right to say.

You and your sister may not be able to tell a man from a woman but most of us really can.

This is all irrelevant anyway.

The law says that all men, including trans women, should stay out of women's single sex spaces. Whether they 'pass' according to you, or not, they are still men.

The decent ones already do.

Here we go with the " if I call you a bigot you must let men into womens spaces" again. Nobody cares any more about the insults hurled by TRAs.

No because as I’ve already said, if you’re told someone is trans, you already know the answer and so can’t make a fair guess if you’d have known or not.

Regardless of that, given the way people are speaking about trans women on this thread, I’d feel incredibly uncomfortable about parading anyone out for judgement.

I cannot take anyone who writes such nonsense seriously. Born in the wrong body and child suicide claptrap.

I said nothing of the sort. Me calling
you a bigot won’t change your behaviour.

I thought all that nonsense was firmly nipped in the bud about two years ago. Astonishing to see people still trotting it out.

I know it's just emotional manipulation and goes against all mental health advice.

It's a disgusting ploy. Especially when this poster knows that some of us on here have experience of having trans identifying children of our own.