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To find DS4 so bloody annoying

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hoppingandhop · 22/04/2025 08:19

I feel rotten as he’s only a little kid but he’s such hard work. Here are some examples which I’m not looking for advice on per se, its more to give an idea what life with him is like.

  • licking people. He’s started trying to lick my face and his sisters face. We hate it. Tell him to stop and laughs and tries to do it more. Move him away he moves back.
  • whines for things all the time, toys, ice cream,
  • has taken to shouting. Not saying anything or for any reason like fear or pain just suddenly lets loose with a massive bellow AHHHH. Then stops.

there’s a lot more. He also often doesn’t listen to anything we/I say. Some more examples are

  • Pelting off when we were at a park and ignoring me shouting to come back. I ran after him and couldn’t find him for ages. Eventually find him by a pond.
  • on holiday we were going down a steep flight of steps with no guard on one side. The wall was on the other. I was holding a baby so couldn’t supervise (he suddenly took off) people above were screaming at me to get him to come back and I’m yelling come back DS but he just … blanks me. It’s like no one’s spoken. This happens a LOT but these were two very dangerous occasions.

its a horrible thing to admit but I just wish I didn’t have him. I hate spending time with him as he’s either annoying, completely not listening (blanking me) or being downright nasty to me and sometimes he is.

I like being a parent to my other child but not him and keep wondering wtf is wrong with me. I’m sure a lot of stuff is him trying to make a connection but when you try more positive ways it doesn’t work.

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cumbriaisbest · 23/04/2025 09:17

Yet again people seek to pathologise the behaviour of a lively little boy and a fed up Mum.

It will pass. Children like to move a lot.

Oldmothershrubboard · 23/04/2025 09:45

My ds didn't respond to any of the 'how to talk' suggestions. They worked very well on dd but ds just shouted through it. "You've smashed that pot ds, I understand you're feeling angry" etc. didn't cut through the constant shouting and running off.

He did calm down now. He's actually very sensitive and will sit and listen but its never when I want him to!

I feel your frustration. I think a good routine post-easter will go a long way.

Littlebrick · 23/04/2025 16:16

I’m confused

You say you wished you’d stopped after having your DS and not gone on for a second child.

Is this because DS behaviour has deteriorated since number 2 was born?

Dhxusksgxuks · 23/04/2025 16:33

Feel free to ignore these suggestions OP as I know you’re not looking for advice - but I’ll put them down in case helpful, as they’re things that really helped me with my 4yo son, and might be useful to you or to other posters going through the same thing.

  1. Praise - on average kids get criticised and / or corrected 10x more than they get praised, where they really need that ratio to be reversed. And it has to be done in a particular way; the praise needs to be specific, immediate, and delivered at eye level with warm physical contact. So for example if my son is nice to my baby I’ll crouch down to meet his eye, give his arm a squeeze and say ‘the way you spoke to your sister just now was so kind and gentle. I really love the way you smile at her and tell her she’s cute. You’re a good big brother.’ And I’ll do this like fifty times a day, any time he does something good. It feels awkward and overkill at first, then it becomes second nature, and kids in general will SOAK it up and really benefit from that connection.

  2. Instructions for 4 year olds need to be broken down into the tiniest steps. It sounds really obvious, but even an instruction like ‘hold my hand on these steps’ can be too remote or large for them to really get it. You might have more success with micro instructions - ‘come here. Stand beside me. Hold my hand. Walk with me. Come down these steps.’

  3. Physical prevention is a necessity. I have to physically intervene to stop undesirable behaviour all the time. The example you gave of the door banging is a good one. The first time it happens, just physically remove him (gently but firmly) from the vicinity of the door so he can’t reach it. Same if he’s throwing things / touching things he shouldn’t etc. Accompany the instruction with a physical action preventing him from continuing. He needs help; he has no impose control and can’t understand consequences, so when he’s banging the door all he’s thinking about is how fun that is, and a request that he stop simply won’t permeate. A request that he stop accompanied by you physically helping him to stop will make it much clearer to him.

Usernamerequired09 · 23/04/2025 17:09

hoppingandhop · 22/04/2025 08:19

I feel rotten as he’s only a little kid but he’s such hard work. Here are some examples which I’m not looking for advice on per se, its more to give an idea what life with him is like.

  • licking people. He’s started trying to lick my face and his sisters face. We hate it. Tell him to stop and laughs and tries to do it more. Move him away he moves back.
  • whines for things all the time, toys, ice cream,
  • has taken to shouting. Not saying anything or for any reason like fear or pain just suddenly lets loose with a massive bellow AHHHH. Then stops.

there’s a lot more. He also often doesn’t listen to anything we/I say. Some more examples are

  • Pelting off when we were at a park and ignoring me shouting to come back. I ran after him and couldn’t find him for ages. Eventually find him by a pond.
  • on holiday we were going down a steep flight of steps with no guard on one side. The wall was on the other. I was holding a baby so couldn’t supervise (he suddenly took off) people above were screaming at me to get him to come back and I’m yelling come back DS but he just … blanks me. It’s like no one’s spoken. This happens a LOT but these were two very dangerous occasions.

its a horrible thing to admit but I just wish I didn’t have him. I hate spending time with him as he’s either annoying, completely not listening (blanking me) or being downright nasty to me and sometimes he is.

I like being a parent to my other child but not him and keep wondering wtf is wrong with me. I’m sure a lot of stuff is him trying to make a connection but when you try more positive ways it doesn’t work.

Hi OP. I have not read the whole thread but only some parts.

I have read your post and my DS is exactly the same. He listens to his dad (sometimes) but not me. He is my one and only so I don’t know what is happening in my case. He’s a lovely child at nursery but turns out he switches off his listening ears as we call it here at home.

so we have to doubly check with him if his listening ears are on before we start and activity. We also say mid activity that we won’t do it anymore because he has stopped listening. Or take a few steps in the opposite direction to him to say we’re going back bye and he comes back running.

whining is a lotttttt !! I’ve had to tackle him through crowded Sainsbury twice for a toy that wasn’t for his age.

I have complete empathy with you. I am in the same boat.

BownnTown · 23/04/2025 17:15

No advice but he does sound very annoying. I’d lose my shit at the licking. It’s disgusting and the kid needs to learn boundaries and personal space.

SnoopyPajamas · 23/04/2025 20:31

Do you have much experience with boys of that age, OP? Younger siblings, children of friends, anything like that?

I'll be honest - every once in a while you get a little boy who is a complete and utter lamb. Boys can absolutely have the same gentle temperment you often find in girls. But . . . most boys don't. And I don't think it's all how they're socialised. There seems to be something in them that makes most boys louder, more reckless, and more inclined to throw themselves around and smash things down than girls. (I say this as a staunch feminist, by the way. It just is what it is.)

This can come as a shock to mums. Social media, parenting books and even your friends often don't show this reality, so when your child acts the way you describe, you feel like you've failed in parenting. Or you must have a child with ADHD or something. This can't be normal, can it?

OP, it's completely normal. Everything you described reads like typical four year old boy stuff to me. The fact he only bolted twice in nine months is good! I can understand how horrifying that moment must have been for you, but I promise you, every parent gets at least one of those horrific, heart-in-mouth moments when the kids are that age. You take your eyes off them for a second and when you look back it's an instant heart attack. That's normal!

It's also normal for kids to need the message repeated a few times for it to really sink in. They've got the survival instincts of lemmings at that age. They really do. It's not that he's deliberately disregarding you. He just doesn't have that sort of permanance in his thinking yet. You know how kids can watch the same episode of their favourite tv show every single day and never get bored of it? While your brain is melting out of your ears? Remember that, when you're tempted to think he's disobeying on purpose. Remind yourself, he's a goldfish at this age, and there's a reason those who work with children need the patience of saints.

Some of the most accurate depictions of boys I've seen in fiction where in shows like Malcolm in the Middle or Outnumbered. Or Lynette Scavo's boys in Desperate Housewives. I've known people who thought the boys in those shows were supposed to be bad, or exaggerated for comic effect. Er . . . no. Not really. Not by much!

I think part of your struggle to connect is that you feel you've got a 'bad' child, and it reflects poorly on your parenting. It might help to realise there's nothing wrong with him or you. You just need to find a style of parenting that works for you both. Maybe you take him to the park and tire him out as much as humanly possible, and find that makes a difference. Maybe you tell him something fifty five times, and then suddenly the fifty sixth time it clicks, and you never have to tell him again, and you have no idea why. You'll figure it out. Steer clear of the ooey-gooey gentle parenting type books, if you don't find they help, and don't be afraid to seek out content specifically about boys.

You can get your relationship with him back on track. DS probably is sensing your frustration here, and it's probably not helping. Again, that's normal and natural. But it doesn't have to escalate or become an entrenched dynamic between you. If you catch yourself telling yourself a negative story ("I'm resenting him again", "I think he hates me", "what if it's always like this?") try to shut it down and stay in the moment. Remind yourself you're doing your best and you don't have to fall into those old patterns of thinking. If they're not helpful, push them out of your mind and focus on now instead.

Cut yourself some slack, and don't give up. You can do this.

SnoopyPajamas · 23/04/2025 20:53

By the way, when I say "everything you describe reads like normal four year old boy stuff to me" I mean, I've known little boys who did absolutely all of it. Randomly haring off out of nowhere in a park / supermarket / busy street. Licking people because the reaction is funny. Randomly shouting "AHHHH!" for no apparent reason. Building a collection of bogeys along the side of the bed.

See? It really is all normal. And you don't even have that last one to contend with.

And you know what? Every one of those boys, even bogey boy, turned out perfectly normal. So have hope.

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