Why were trans threads hidden?

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Since the ruling that biological sex matters I've been reading more and more. Every day.

To my shame, I didn't really follow the issue or consider it before. The more I read, the more horrified I am at how women who've been campaigning have been treated by society, by TRA activists, by other women and even on mumsnet hidden in a corner in sex and feminism.

JK Rowling having rape and death threats for sharing her concerns. Women being cancelled. This is an every women and every girl issue.

With the rise in toxic masculinity and misogyny in schools and society we all need to talk about this more.

Well done to those that did the talking and campaigning for the safety of all women.

Lets see if@Couleur ( who has (I think?) decided not to tone police @Never2many who stated women being raped was ok once the rapes were under a level that Never2many deemed [(edit) removed 2 randon * 👀)] acceptable ) can explain how MN manages posters who are abusive?

In fact I dont think any of the posters who decided to tell posters that the thread and/or issue would be more acceptable if posters set a nice tone directly addressed that this may not be the right tone either:

Let’s be honest here, how many women are being raped? Genuinely? Because it certainly isn’t anything near a large number, but as soon as it happens once men/people are blamed.......

And thats put forward as a both sides argument from a "trans supporter non-bigot" who uses a direct speech pattern style of posting.

Never2many · 20/04/2025 22:03

Helleofabore · 20/04/2025 21:49
So, you don’t think people should post about anything that they want general discussion on, on a general discussion board ? But I am twisting your words?
Other ‘divisive’ topics appear in AIBU, so it seems to be just the ones you don’t want to read that is the issue.
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But discussion of trans isn’t allowed to be a general discussion.
You’re either transphobic or you’re flamed for not being.
nobody is allowed to be anything but transphobic on MN. This is why Barclays and Ocado want nothing to do with them.
People have become so far intrenched in the whole single sex spaces argument that they have lost sight of the fact that they have become bigots.
Let’s be honest here, how many women are being raped by trans women? Genuinely? Because it certainly isn’t anything near a large number, but as soon as it happens once the whole trans community is blamed.
Trans people have existed for an eternity. There have always been trans men and women, for as long as I remember.

Singling out individual posters is bullying, whether you approve of their posts or not. There are particular posters who I definitely see as cry bullies.

Can you quote /post link an example from this thread or copy/paste with no names from any other?

How can you disagree with a point if you don't reference what has been said? That's not singling out an individual, that's agreeing or disagreeing with someone. That can be done in a respectful manner.

The idea that robustly replying to posts which are equally uncivil is “abusive” is an example of DARVO.

I'm not asking for anyone to be identified btw, just unattributed quotes.

Many of us have experienced this kind of behaviour before. It’s a pattern.

Anyway, it’s quite clear certain posters would like an argument, but they won’t get one from me today.

Surely it's very simple. If posts break talk guidelines please report them.

If you don't like the tone/content of posts, but they are within talk guidelines then that's an issue to take up with MN more directly, or perhaps you might find another forum that suits you tastes better.

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I’m sure we all agree that there is no threshold of rape that’s acceptable.

But I would say that repeatedly replying to other posters asking them their view on this particular comment, when their post or question had nothing to do with it, could be seen as encouraging a “pile on.”

That exchange was 3 days ago now (according to those timestamps), I’m not sure every person on this thread needs to individually tell this person off.

I think what that poster actually meant was if you looked at the specifics of being a trans woman, and committing sexual offence, the rates are probably quite low, and that trans women are blamed for the actions of all biological males.

You don’t have to agree with that point, but repeatedly asking us/this thread to disagree with it and targeting responses specifically towards that person does nothing to convince anyone that the GC debate isn’t toxic and doesn’t involve bullying people don’t agree with you.

This.

Wait....whatever gave you the impression this is about reddit or only about reddit? These men with these signs accost women at our marches. In public. They contact us through social media, through email, through our workplaces. They send rape threats and death threats to our homes. They doxx us.

Whatever gave you the idea this is even remotely about reddit?

This is a good thread, for the OP and any lurkers who are curious about what has been happening in the past 10 years or so.

There have been so many issues over the last few years with trans rights clashing with women’s rights… its been fascinating, in a bad way.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5318700-memories-of-the-last-few-years-of-madness

There seems to be now accusations that MNHQ are biased towards feminists in their moderation. This is laughable considering the history of FWR.

I think that if someone thinks their or other's posts are deleted for something 'minor' while other's posts stand, then that someone probably is assessing the situation under their own skewed perceptions rather than the balance that the mods need to take.

I have absolutely seen what i would consider abusive posts from both sides of the discussion

i have also seen MNHQ delete the most random non offensive posts

but It hasn't gone unnoticed that when GC posts or posts from the FWR regulars are reported for being abusive they are rarely deleted whilst opposing posts are deleted for minor reasons, often which don't even make sense is not true in the slightest

I appreciate however that it may seem that way if you are the one being deleted Or you think the comment didn’t deserve deleting

Having said that I do think that sometimes random people ive never heard of say they think one way or the other and then post something dreadful just to stir the pot

or say something that sounds awful taken out of context

helle said it better 😀

and first…

Oops I did

But i expect that the quote would be followed by a I believe this line here is abusive because it is saying Y, X or Z which is abusive not

Eg
First poster:

• So, you don’t think people should post about anything that they want general discussion on, on a general discussion board ?

Asked a question

• But I am twisting your words?

Asked a question

Other ‘divisive’ topics appear in AIBU, so it seems to be just the ones you don’t want to read that is the issue.

Offers an opinion

This is a facts are proven by evidence
If MN allows a thread or a topic to stay in a general discussion area its a general discussion

Second poster

But discussion of trans isn’t allowed to be a general discussion.

Offers an opinion
So I read on.....

You’re either transphobic or you’re flamed for not being.

This is saying that the average MN poster is transphobic if they comment on the topic
And
that anybody who replys to a "non-transphobic" poster is by default transphobic and attacking the poster.

"Flamed out" replaced "crash and burn" which was "fighter jet pilot watched as the plane he sucessfully attacke and shot down crashed and burned"

And the first poster and second poster dont agree on the topic

nobody is allowed to be anything but transphobic on MN.

Then a bolded nobody
so everybody is transphobic.
And all comments ever posted are by default transphobic and by extension all MN posters past and current are transphobic.
Or
Nobody is a class of MN posters

This is why Barclays and Ocado want nothing to do with them.

This may have been ( i think) appropriated from an earlier post?

Them ?

MN is an "it" but not a "them" a legal person in law which has no sex. This holds true for Barclays and Ocado too. So MN is a person too but not in need of SSS and would have no right to pee in any public toilet but I am guesing it or parts of it mainly hang out in the womens toilet.

Or is the poster calling the staff in general including their unpaid workers transphobic?

Ocado clearly apoligised.

By blaming "the temp"

Barclays is not saying that we have such poor corporate governance and control that the temp can make key contract decisions with no oversight?

But as that excuse for political positions in Banking comes with real life risks of being audited and fined etc and personal sanctions including being banned from banking ....

7.6 million? ouch ouch ouch

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/mar/26/nigel-farage-settles-dispute-natwest-group-accounts-closure

So in context

nobody is allowed to be anything but transphobic on MN. This is why Barclays and Ocado want nothing to do with them.

Them is the posters passed and current who are not in the nobody class.

And both company want the money and the political position once they get to keep the money but will likely modify the politic to keep the money ....

In real life the investor eg Natwest looking at Barclays Bank or Ocado make decisions on the financial reportng pages not the we are good citizen pages.

And why the business are not screening out MN users or staff from their profit margins.

I have covered the next section too in other posts

I am applauding your attempt AnSolas... but laughing too.

It is interesting though that non-offensive posts from Pony (and myself) seem to have been reported and deleted, while offensive posts from other posters remain. I tend not to report unless a post is really abusive.

I tend not to report unless a post is really abusive.

i do report personal attacks or things i think reflect badly on me 😀

looks like ponys posts are a wholesale deletion….

It is interesting though that non-offensive posts from Pony (and myself) seem to have been reported and deleted

it isn’t interesting

FWR posters have been deleted for innocuous stuff in the same way you think you have been deleted for

A) you have to report for a deletion…
B) the deleted poster was referring to Mumsnet moderation

if you aren’t reporting posts that you believe are honestly abusive you are both contributing to that abuse and not allowing MNHQ to do their job leaving the way paved for people to complain that the moderation is all one sided…which it isn’t

You’re likely right, Rufus. I should report more if I feel it’s warranted. Thank you.

I read FWR but don't post on it much because I don't find it an inclusive place. That said, it's not the job of other women to make it so. FWR is, to my mind, a bit like a moving escalator, get on and keep up - or jump off. The women there are not rude in my opinion, just focused and not always up for newbies to the cause.
There are other places for feminist debate if you prefer but reading about the issues that matter? You could do a lot worse than the FWR board here.

If you don't see any issue with the trans reddits then you are no friend of women. I hope you don't see the ramification of those trans reddits posts up close and personal. I hope no women ever does but they will; men as a sex are violent to women.

I lurked for about 5 years or so on the FWR board before I was brave enough to post.