Suicide rates and being spoken out of existence

[crunchynuts12345]

A lot of transwomen / people unfortunately won't survive this. Feeling like you're being legislated or spoken out of existence, especially when you're already part of a group at such high risk for mental health struggles and suicide, is devastating. It’s not just policy or rhetoric — it’s lived impact. Much like the way the awful section 28 law impacted gays - every time identity is debated like it’s theoretical or optional, it chips away at a person's sense of worth. It's so sad. You’re not welcome, not valid, not safe — can hit deep

Would you like a medal? Or a trophy? Of Pride of Britain award? What exactly are you looking for?

And what is your point? What have trans issues got to with women? Why are women responsible for trans mental health? Do you hold men responsible too? Do you lecture them equally?

Looks like OP has done their good deed of the day. Lecturing women on social media. Virtues must be signalled. #bekind

Indeed. Women aren’t going to be the buffer for trans people anymore. It’s not our job. We’ve had enough.

No one is buying it @crunchynuts12345- time to wind it down now.

It is rare. But how many cases would it take to be unacceptable?
Katie Dolawski who attacked two children?
Or the videos online which show trans women masturbating in public toilets (women’s obviously) with women and kids present in the background. Clearly just getting a kick out of it (the TW that is).

Does it matter in sport that TW are no longer women?
I cannot for the life of me remember her name but the transwoman who broke her female opponent’s skull couldn’t now do that because she cannot fight as a female. Surely that’s a victory for women’s rights and safety?

Or the swimmers who have lost out to the swimmer Lia Thomas (I know it’s an American example) who was a mediocre male swimmer but suddenly a champion in the women’s races? Do those women not count either?

All this faux, teary eyed, fake empathy about ‘oh but won’t someone think of trans people’ is just boredom led activism by people who don’t have real work to do or real problems.

These same people are carrying placards on protests currently calling for Terfs to be harmed and killed. For JK Rowling to be burned as a witch.

And they expect us to buy their #bekind act. Jog on. Everyone thought you were dangerous batshits first. Since last week, everyone knows that you are pointless batshits. You are not activists, you are aggressors. But pathetic aggressors.

Fallon Fox @babybythesea who also said he “enjoyed” (when talking about the two women he knocked out) “smacking up TEFs in the cage” on Twitter.

https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/bbc-apologizes-for-platforming-man

Or indeed the trans-identified man, Tara Wolf, who actually did punch a woman while she was making a peaceful protest in Hyde Park in 2017. Maria Maclachan was taking photographs of the TRA intimidation and violence and was punched in the face.

in court , the magistrate required Ms Maclachan to call the man who attacked her “she.”

There’s erasure and violence for you.

Or Frank ‘Kellie’ Malonie who throttled his wife in front of his two young daughters.

What sort of therapist training did you have op? Were you trained that telling your clients they were being spoken out of existence and that people hated them was healthy?

Tell me you're not a therapist without using the words:

"I am not and never have been a therapist. "

Must say, all your accusations about most of us never having spoken to a trans person… simply illustrate the obvious- that you haven’t listened to women. People have been telling you on this thread their many many experiences with trans people. Our loved ones are trans. Our friends are trans. A lot of us started paying attention because of our trans family members. Others because access to single sex spaces we needed had been lost. Still more because of our work with people with ASD.

I don’t think anyone comes into this conversation from transphobia. Transphobes have no interest in conversation.

I actually do know and like quite a few trans identified people. I consider them to mostly be confused and lost. They are actually in need of therapy to help them cope with themselves and the lives that have led them to stop identifying with their own bodies. Telling them they are being "spoken out of existence" is fear mongering bollocks.

OP I don't believe you are a therapist. If you are then therapy is in a worse state than I thought.

Gender Dysphoria is co-morbid with other mental disorders that have higher suicide rates
In addition, most commit suicide after transitioning, not before.

This is nothing but an attempt at emotional manipulation to get women to shut up. Again.

Oh the drama, no one is spoken out of existence. Time to grow up.

Sorry your attempt to erase women didnt work 😔

Thank you. At the risk of outing myself, this happened in my local supermarket. At the time, my autistic daughter was the same age as the victim of this SA and it made my blood run cold as we were in there so often. I keep hearing that trans women never commit crimes like this and that’s just not true. Suggesting that any trans woman who does terrible things like this isn’t ‘really’ trans does not help and pretending it never happens doesn’t help. Silencing people with concerns by calling them bigots is dreadful behaviour. These discussions need to be had to PREVENT prejudice against trans people, most of whom just want to live their lives in peace - you will never get to the place where they can do that if you shut down debate by calling it prejudice. People will still have concerns regardless of whether they air them if they are not addressed and that helps nobody.

What exactly are you afraid of? I genuinely don’t get it

I work in mental health at a senior level. One of the key skills I need is to understand where people are coming from. I speak to them, try and understand their anxieties and fears and help them to recovery. I don’t have to agree or collude with their beliefs, but I do try and understand them.

After all these years are you saying that you have been unable to understand women’s concerns? I find that quite worrying for a therapist really.

And lesbians are trying to live theirs, not be gaslit by people saying people with penises are women and should be allowed into their spaces. Nor being abused because they want to date women, with vulvas, not men cosplaying as women.

Are you genuinely asking?

Maybe you don’t remember when Stonewall announced they were switching from LGB and they added the T and made it the centre of their campaign. I say centre because they turned even the definitions for same sex attracted to focus on people with transgender identities.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/16/stonewall-start-campaigning-trans-equality

Then stonewall used their built up and incredibly well earned reputation to ensure organisations around the UK including the government and public service also centred that group. They gave out misinterpreted policy guidance based on their desired interpretation of the laws. And even when shown in court that these interpretations were flawed, they refused to take ownership of the damage they wrought.

And so now we have schools, hospitals, prisons, sports, businesses all with policies that cause harm to women and children because they followed that advice.

It isn’t just because they were part of the worldwide strategy that forced open the very meaning of the words woman, girl, female, man, boy and male. But that has played a large part in it all. If you force through society, education, governments the new language, the rest was supposed to fall into place. If you say the additional privileges being demanded by male people with transgender identities are just like the rightful, and righteous, rights of same sex and both sex attracted people, that gets you a very long way.

It certainly didn’t start with Stonewall. But in the UK, they gave it the power boost the initial campaign groups needed. Here are some documents that show just how language was used and how this has leveraged other groups to achieve it all.

In case you want to read these documents, here they are:

You can find the Dentons report through this link .

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/iglyov3-1.pdf

This is the link for the Messaging Guide : Transgender Youth and the Freedom to Be Ourselves
From December 2021 (sorry about the messy link)

static1.squarespace.com/static/5fd0f29d0d626c5fb471be74/t/61b13d00236e2f7f2dbb9a36/1639005441624/Transgender+Youth+and+the+Freedom+to+Be+Ourselves.pdf

The Transgender Law Center’s work.

This link also shows a 'playbook' on how to leverage other social justice issues to manipulate people into supporting beliefs not upheld with any factual or scientific evidence at all. In fact, in this link above, the general population are called 'persuadables'. They are not hiding that this is pure emotional manipulation.

And finally, here is something similar from the UK Greens. Just in case people still doubt that there is an emotionally manipulative tactic being used across the world. This one gives people stock answers that they believe will work to either shame people into agreeing with them or that they feel will be 'convincing'.

https://lgbtiqa.greenparty.org.uk/2023/06/15/dogwhistle-guidance/

it is in archive sites if you want to track it down.

How many children were actually protected by being forbidden to even hear the word “gay” in school?

That never happened, I was at high school in the 80s and gay relationships were discussed in sex education, along with being taught that it was wrong to pick on gay kids.

It seems, as ever, all the trans side has is dishonesty, emotional blackmail and bullying.

Most trans people are quietly trying to live their lives.

I agree. I worked with trans people in the 90s and 2000s. They were largely accepted and getting on with their lives. However, in the last decade, they have no longer been allowed to get on with life quietly. Certain activists have been loud and aggressive and trying to push women out.

Nothing will convince me that the last few years of transactivism has done any favours for the average decent trans person just wanting to lead a normal life. Quite the opposite I would aver.

A hundred times this

"Quietly"? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

@crunchynuts12345

Why haven't you answered my question?

What do you want to happen with single sex spaces?

We cannot allow a situation where women, half the population, are limited in the amount of time they spend outside the house because of a lack of single sexed facilities.

It doesn't matter if it's dignity (many women don't even like open plan changing rooms with other women), religious reasons, post-traumatic stress from abuse.

I hate religion getting brought into these discussions like a Trump card, we might be a secular society, but that doesn't mean non-religious women and girls are happy to ditch their privacy.

There are many reasons why single sex spaces are important to women.