Suicide rates and being spoken out of existence

[crunchynuts12345]

A lot of transwomen / people unfortunately won't survive this. Feeling like you're being legislated or spoken out of existence, especially when you're already part of a group at such high risk for mental health struggles and suicide, is devastating. It’s not just policy or rhetoric — it’s lived impact. Much like the way the awful section 28 law impacted gays - every time identity is debated like it’s theoretical or optional, it chips away at a person's sense of worth. It's so sad. You’re not welcome, not valid, not safe — can hit deep

I've never once seen anyone advocate to deny trans people mental health support which is actually what is needed rather than playing into their delusions which helps nobody.

I’d just say — try to see the individual. I know emotions are high, but the vitriol is a bit ugly.

Forget 'the movement', the crowd, there is probably not an agenda. Just a person, with a life, and fears, and relationships, and a story you probably haven’t heard yet. That’s where empathy starts

Professor Louis Appleby, who is a researcher and government adviser on suicide has spoken against the type of narrative you are pushing @crunchynuts12345

It’s irresponsible and unfounded.

What a load of hyperbolic nonsense.

yes, of course. In all cases they entirely gave no fucks about anyone else’s opinions. They wanted to be in the women’s spaces and loudly declared they should be.

not wishing to be beaten up or lose my job I kept silent.

@crunchynuts12345 have you heard about male privilege? And female socialisation?

go hang out in style and beauty. My guess is that you could do with some tips.

If you really are a therapist, you ought to turn your attention to helping your clients better deal with reality by increasing their resilience and learning coping skills to deal with their emotions and life. Sex is real and nothing good ever comes from sticking your head in the sand or trying to bully others into acquiescing to an ideology they don't believe in.

Yes, women who have been trying to preserve their rights have suffered enormous vitriol and it has taken its toll on mental health.

Hopefully now we have clarity everyone can move forward more positively.

Then Trans people need support for their MH.

The SC ruling does not say trans people do not exist. It emphasises that being trans remains a protected characteristic.

If trans people are reacting by wishing to commit suicide the answer is support for their mental health.

Not denying women exist as a class.

And it might be of help to trans people if the legal protections available to them were publicised rather than the hysteria causing ‘devastation’ over the legal definition of women within the Equality Act.

All that has happened is that the definition of woman remains as it has always been. Before the Trans Activists tried to erase it.

Women have been subjected to the fear of murder, abuse, rape, attack, control, mutilation, discrimination etc for MILLENIA without collapsing in heaps of suicidal bodies.

Who knows, maybe the MH crisis is a cause rather than an effect.

Just a thought.

Hyperbolic statements are like tiny dogs with big barks…. Not to be taken seriously.

Out of all that drivel, you had the mental health issue part right.

It's just bloody simple. Trans women are men. I don't hate them. I admire some of them (very few).

But men do not deserve the right to infiltrate womens spaces. That is it.

The OP's narrative certainly suits therapists trying to make money....can't think why they perpetuate it when it's been advised not to.

You know what, you're right!

Let's think of all those individual women out there whose lives have been upended by TRAs.

Women who've been assaulted, vilified, sacked, abused, sent rape and death threats. Women who have had to fight for their right to get undressed without a fucking perverted man present!

Let's think of all those brave, wonderful fucking women!

Do you believe that transwomen can be lesbians?

@Leafstamp What narrative am I pushing, exactly? I’m not. I’m just saying — see the individual, not the movement. Same thing I’d say to a racist: don’t reduce people to a group you’ve decided to fear or hate. Start with basic humanity

Stop telling vulnerable people they are at risk of suicide - that is against all guidelines on the topic.

Nobody is being ‘legislated out of existence’ that is utterly nonsensical and another lie designed to further rile up these vulnerable people.

The law hasn’t changed. We could always exclude male people from female only spaces, it was just lies from trans activists that muddied the water.

Funny how you are not celebrating the win for ‘transmen’ with a GRC - if the ruling had gone the other way they would have lost all Maternity and Abortion rights. You do understand that the ‘trans community’ does not just consist of men who wish they were women?? Do you?

Of course there’s an agenda and people are making money and grooming children as part of it. Wake up

Oh behave.

Gender reassignment continues to be a protected characteristic under the Equality Act. The law on sex discrimination was established in 1975 and rolled into the Equality Act in 2010. The recent Supreme Court judgement clarified the definition of sex for the purposes of the EA, and this has not changed since 1975.

With this in mind could you tell us precisely what makes you feel legislated out of existence?

@crunchynuts12345 If you're a therapist then I'm the fucking easter bunny!

OP, I sympathise. But don't understand why transpeople are unhappy with the word transwoman or transman. It's true, unambiguous, and recognises specific needs and rights of this community, instead of obfuscating and redacting women's rights.

@Snorlaxo Yes
@Witchymadwoman I didn't say legislated I said spoken
@wrongthinker Alright, I’ll ‘behave’ by continuing to be concerned about the suicide rates and mental health of a marginalised group — because that’s my actual lived experience, both as a lesbian and as a therapist who works with the LGBT+ community. If that makes people uncomfortable, they might want to ask themselves why

Your preconceptions make you a rubbish therapist. How can you help someone when you’re so partial? Women who needed this ruling are not bigots like racists. By making it us or them, you’re perpetuating the problem.

Start giving your clients better strategies instead of expecting the world to reorganise around them.

@myplace "strategies" It's not a fucking coaching course!

Oh FFS, give over. Women have had pretty much everything taken from them due to #BeFuckingKind. Now we finally have some clarity and can start reclaiming what should have always been ours, transwomen are kicking off and having pathetic little mantrums because they’ve finally been told no. Pathetic.

Hyperbolic nonsense with no evidence whatsoever.