Suicide rates and being spoken out of existence

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A lot of transwomen / people unfortunately won't survive this. Feeling like you're being legislated or spoken out of existence, especially when you're already part of a group at such high risk for mental health struggles and suicide, is devastating. It’s not just policy or rhetoric — it’s lived impact. Much like the way the awful section 28 law impacted gays - every time identity is debated like it’s theoretical or optional, it chips away at a person's sense of worth. It's so sad. You’re not welcome, not valid, not safe — can hit deep

Law to be clear.
We can't have a woolly confusing, some single sex spaces are fine for trans others aren't.
Nor can we have some transwoman are OK, but Isla Bryson isn't.
And nobody knows if the transwomen is the next Isla Bryson or a fairly harmless man.

Why do you find the idea of men transgressing into women’s spaces so funny?

What an unbelievably odd comment.

What a vile post.

Well I've noticed Scottish football will only let biological women play in women's teams, so that's a plus.

How is it a plus?

How many transgender women play on Scottish women's football teams? One or two? What impact has this had on the other players?

If that's my comment you're referring to as 'vile' do you want to say why?

You clearly think this move is hugely important.

So I'm asking whether it's made a difference to you. A material difference.

Has it?

I'm sure it's made a difference to transgender women, who'll now be facing arrest if they use the women's toilet, and maybe harassment or questioning for using a disabled toilet, given that they're not disabled, and given that disabled toilets aren't always left unlocked for the public.

I was referring to transwomen. Hope this helps.

Yes. You're amused at men invading women's spaces and distressing/excluding them.

Tee hee. Etc.

Stop calling women misogynistic slurs, @Sabire9

You were referring to men as you well know.

H that H

What 'misogynistic slur' is that?

I was referring to transgender women.

The women are safer now that they won't have to play against men or have them in their changing rooms

I was referring to transgender women, using women's spaces.

I appreciate you need to engage in demagoguery to make your point.

But you're no different to those people who refer to asylum seekers as 'invaders'.

@Sabire9yes it makes a material difference in law and life. The EA is clarified which means women can rightly challenge these males in our spaces. The most vulnerable women in society in prisons and refuges are protected.

Well no, because there is no Supreme Court ruling saying that asylum seekers are invaders. However there is one clarifying that “transgender women” are biological men. HTH.

One man on a football team affects 22 women everytime they play a match. That is 21 women on the pitch plus 1 who didn't get a place on the team.

Assuming more than one match per season that's a lot of women affected by 1 man

Rubbish. Why do women have single sex spaces in the first place? Why are they entirely normal throughout society?

Privacy, dignity, some women excluded by those men, women with traumas, beliefs, other things you won't respect or care about, that make a mixed sex space untenable when a woman's in an enclosed space in a state of undress.

You're welcome to your denial that a transwoman is not a man, but not to insist women have to pretend and get undressed with him. You're welcome to undress with whomever you want, but not to require that man's right to other women's non consenting bodies.

Who you know are men,

Or are you going to keep denying that?

I am interested in how mentioning women's (factual, evidenced, women right here plus court evidence) distress and trauma at men in their spaces is in your view a political practice seeking support by appealing to prejudice?

I think you meant 'dog whistle'. Which is what you did as soon as you mentioned 'immigrants' as code for 'you're prejudiced <old, right wing, insert insult here>.

'Dog whistle' being essentially women mentioning any bit of their reality that inconveniences men freely using and abusing them. Which they do, when they enter a space where a non consenting woman is in a state of undress.

It would be faster to say you really don't care about women, or how they feel or the impact upon them so long as men experience no boundaries to their freedom of self expression.

Us women should not be expected to advocate for trans people. We need our single sex spaces, and that's it. Men need to stay away from female spaces and find their own solutions.

Stop bothering women on this matter.

One man cheating in women's sport is too many.

Good, I hope they get arrested if they use female toilets and changing rooms. They have been harassing nonconsenting women in women's private spaces for over a decade.