To think I can't be the only person who doesn't know a single trans person

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Seriously.

The news is full of people worrying about how the SC ruling will affect people who identify as trans.

Where are they? Not in my office (large organisation), my family or social groups. I don't come across any in the village where I live or when I go into town.

DD is at university and doesn't know any trans people.

Surely, I can't be the only one?

Before puberty hit my son could pass as a young girl with his long hair now he could not so up until around 10 ish I could have got away with bringing him to the toilet with me and no-one would bat an eye

I know that lots of drag queens names are derogatory references to female sex and sexuality. It clearly indicates the gross misogyny of what many of them are doing. So, you're making my point for me.

She based her act around Cheryl Cole

You mean he did.

Before puberty hit my son could pass as a young girl

I'm not sure what relevance that has to that poster claiming she knows young men who could be mistaken for young women without makeup on.

You're talking about pre pubescent children.

She was talking about post pubescent adults. Or presumably she wouldn't have used the words men and women.

They don’t even make up 1% of the population.

It is absolute madness that we have got to this stage…

Cheryl Cole has met her and thoroughly approved.

No offence to Cheryl Cole but she doesn't exactly seem to be a bastion of good sense & intellect.

(Otherwise she probably wouldn't have messaged to Mr Fernando-Versini "I hear you're a player, meet the coach" ....only to end up looking like she had an ED by the end of the marriage, a marriage that probably resulted in her losing quite a bit of her money to him.

Likewise she probably would've have kept trying to have a relationship with multiple, serial cheater Ashley Cole.

She also had a relationship with and a child by a significantly younger man whom she'd mentored, which some would see as inappropriate.

She was also prosecuted for punching a toilet attendant, remember).

So I'm not sure why her "approving" of a drag "artist" has any significance - just cause he's chosen her name to parody.

I assumed Cheryl Hole was to mock Chloe Cole, the desister who had her breasts amputated at age 15 and is campaigning against gender affirming 'care'. Because I saw Hole repeatedly attack and target Chloe on twitter, I assumed it was a vindictive attack on her.

Captured?

I haven’t read anything about that but the example I gave (I could have given plenty of others but now it’s unfortunately a pile on against this individual) lives his life as a man and has a male partner/husband who says he prefers it when he doesn’t wear feminine makeup and clothes, which he only does as part of his act.

I wouldn’t say it’s misogyny, that they hate women, or why would they want to look like them and adopt their mannerisms? A lot, not all lean into their feminine side when out of costume, most are gay and admire women, which is why they like to adopt their traits. A lot of comedy is outdated through the modern lens, but drag started a long time ago and a lot of the common features - big hair, loud clothes, elaborate make up remain. Double-entendres were usually used for names and they were female-orientated bc they were portraying women. Maybe this will change now but it was part of the tradition which people were familiar with. Widow Twanky is nearly always a man in women’s clothes cracking double entendres in pantomime season. The person who plays Dick Whittington was traditionally a woman - and there were many dick jokes aimed at her.

My original posts were pointing out that some men can pass as women and some women can pass as men. As ever there are a lot of angry people on here where if you give the slighted hint at supporting trans ppl or saying anything about them being able to look like women it’s red rag to a bull and there is a pile on. I’ve not mentioned anything about trans rights, I’ve said what I’ve noticed. The aggression on here is interesting.

You’re arguing against yourself here. You THINK pretty much everyone…
and you’re having a go at me for saying what I think. How on earth could you possibly prove pretty much everyone else on the whole planet would think that?

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Of course it's misogynistic to use names like that. Wake up. And of course you can want to appropriate cultures that a part of you despises, for multiple reasons.

I'm not against all drag by any means. It can be funny and clever and occasionally even genuinely celebratory of women, but as soon as we get into this kind of sexual parody, it loses all of that instantly for me.

As for the 'angry people' on here, isn't anger an unsurprising reaction given how women who say no are treated by the TRAs? Here's a flavour of that for you.

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Whatever you say, whatever untruths/fluffy nonsense you try to kid yourself with, women do not need to jump through hoops to look like women, they just don't. In the same way that men, however contrived as women don't look like women, women will always look like and be women and don't need to look any particular way at all. A man has no opinion about a woman's looks that I will listen to.

Lie to yourself and kid yourself on as much as you like. It's successful in any echo chamber - but not here.

I had compassion for transwomen until a minority decided to encroach on women's rights and try to take them. It's that minority who kicked off the shitstorm that followed - and that has failed.

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Check what I wrote. Did I say a small village? This is pretty dangerous when posters are misquoting other posters on here. What else do you feel entitled to make up when people take a different view to you? 🤔

I’m not a ‘they’ I am a woman (biological if anyone’s bothered).

Yes, believe it or not (not I’m sure in your case) I do know several people - some not well admittedly - not dozens, not thousands, who look like ppl of the opposite sex through design or incidentally. Why this has blown up to me being a staunch defender of trans rights is possibly indicative of the sorts of ppl who see something they may not outright agree with and turn it into something they can get angry about. Much like the militant trans activists do to women and supporters of women who are attempting to defend their rights.

I pointed out a person who looks very much like a woman as AN EXAMPLE. I didn’t say anything about her personality and am not here to defend her actions… or Cheryl Cole (wtf?) or Chloe Cole…. Or Old King Cole etc etc et bloody cetera

I’ll wait while you scrutinise my previous posts to prove me wrong and throw some more irrelevant accusations at me 🍿

that they hate women, or why would they want to look like them and adopt their mannerisms?

They don't want to look like "women". They don't adopt women's mannerisms.
They are a parody of an extreme, fake, hyper sexual, severely gender stereotyped, inauthentic, shallow, fetishistic etc. presentation of "female". There is misogyny in that.

When I walk around town the vast vast majority of women are wearing trainers or flat shoes/boots, jeans or leggings, minimal or no makeup, and they do not have hammed up, ott mannerisms. They don't copy that, do they?

Do you truly know any women whose mannerisms are like those of a drag artist? Because I don't.

They also specialise in being "bitchy"and derogatory...... Does that represent most women; not in my experience? Yet they think that represents women's attitudes and behaviour.

You can't be this obtuse.

Everyone except you ..... Not sure why that needed explained.

You must have an issue identifying faces , builds and physical details, if you truly mistake young men for young women.

Hear hear.

Nvm - misunderstood

I’m 60. I’ve met one drag artist who dressed as a man off stage.
the only other trans people I’ve seen were at a posie Parker rally where they were loud, aggressive white male students and a few older men, often in masks, with loudhailers and music turned up to the max. There were a few bewildered looking blue haired girls. There were ugly messages on cardboard being held up - and hastily hid behind backs when Menno and his camera approached.
I wandered about in the trans bit and spoke to the main guy who was keeping the energy going with a loudhailer.
He seemed to be enjoying being the centre of attention.
in my opinion, the trans group seemed to be delighted to make massive row, and gather round the one entrance to he LWS area that was smaller and had barriers on all sides. Which made it feel difficult to get in or out - as you had to walk past a group of jeering men.
the trans area had barriers on just one side ( I believe) and was much larger - the sound system itself was enormous.
it felt aggressive. Towards what seemed to be a bunch of mainly middle aged women trying to listen to what each other had to say but being constantly drowned out by the noise from a few feet away.
Do trans people, and it seems to be mainly men, really feel so threatened by the middle aged women that they insist are so gentle we will protect them from those horrible violent men in toilets? If they want ladies to be kind, why are they so very angry with them that they won’t let them speak?

My GCSE form tutor and a colleague at work. Both were perfectly nice people

And if I did, that would point to a disability - so you are outing yourself as a lovely ableist aren’t you

Ah so now I'm an "ableist" for pointing out that your apparent inability to distinguish males and females is uncommon.

What wild accusation is coming next.

Btw I don't think you have that much difficulty distinguishing males and females ....but you do have some agenda for saying you do (and claiming that's common).

needed explained - explaining?

You are clearly ignorant of the different, common (and correct) use of the passive in different regions of the UK.

Needs explaining, and needed explained (a shortened version of needed to be explained) are different ways of saying the same thing - used more in different parts of the UK than others.

Needs doing/needs explaining etc. ....would never be used in my part of the UK.
Just like phrases like 'of an evening" and many others I could list if I could be bothered.

Neither is grammatically incorrect.

So, apparently I have to explain this to you ..... as well as explain that your inability to distinguish between males & females is uncommon.