To think I can't be the only person who doesn't know a single trans person

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Seriously.

The news is full of people worrying about how the SC ruling will affect people who identify as trans.

Where are they? Not in my office (large organisation), my family or social groups. I don't come across any in the village where I live or when I go into town.

DD is at university and doesn't know any trans people.

Surely, I can't be the only one?

Men aren’t a minority group. Men trampling all over women’s rights isn’t anything new, unfortunately.

A man occasionally wearing women’s clothing isn’t transgender

Laws are changed sometimes over individuals or individual acts so it’s not particularly weird that you’ve never met a trans person and yet there are laws which revolve around / are promoted by the existence of trans people.

I know lots - I work in education though where loads of teens are experimental. Fair few staff are too.

I don't k lnow any through my private / family life though.

Why is that silly?

You can always tell when the trans person in question was born a man. Always.

According to Stonewall he is.

So at what point would he become transgender?

Well I think you’re wrong. So we shall have to agree to disagree!

Google it

There's more to it than 'minority groups existing'. The young woman I know who has identified as non-binary is chest binding. She's causing herself permanent physical damage. If she'd been born 20 years earlier she might have been anorexic or bulimic- but there was no ambiguity about those. They weren't encouraged. Self-harm through gender identity, however, is 'affirmed'.

I know one transman and one transwoman. The transman passes. The transwoman really really doesn’t.

Yes you can.

I agree. He might have called himself that nowadays though.

He was a creep.

Interesting though. He was very antisocial in that he didn't speak to anyone in our small block of flats. However...none of us ever discussed him or his fetish. We just kept quiet.

Thought not! 😂

I’m not the one pretending that a man who says he’s a woman is a woman.

I been watching a lot of news items the past couple of days and there's lots of "I'm worried about my trans friends. We stand with the trans community."

And I'm thinking, do you really know any trans people cos I bloody don't and think the majority don't.

1 at work, very obviously female with female socialisation still pretty clear. It's actually quite funny to watch a woman with boobs, a beard and short hair go all high pitched and try to twirl imaginary hair when speaking to a (straight) man they fancy.
And 2 transkids in my extended family. Both now not trans but unfortunately for both, have had irreversible damage done to their growing bodies by way of puberty blockers and hormones.

Likewise. No one who has had surgery, no one who has a certificate. Lot's of straight young men who wear skirts and eyeliner, and are in a proper muddle, seemingly thinking this is all very risque.

But you dont know that you can tell all trans women because if you cant tell you wouldnt know. Ive known a couple who were obvious, one i was surprised when I found out and someone with a gender neutral name i couldnt decide and it was only the third time I met them i knew and that was only because a friend used their pronouns so Im still not 100% sure.

I think people find it comforting to think they 'always know' but they dont

I used to work with a trans woman, but they left. I don't think I know anyone now who is trans.

So how is often is a dress needed to be worn for the man to be trans?

Oh, here we go.
Yeah, you're right, a real woman would never go out in awful clothes and have silly looking hair.
As real women know how to "lady" properly. 🙄
It's always women who aren't trans who get hurt by so called "gender critical" people as well - with all this policing/deciding what a real woman should look like, whether by statements like this comment, or "we can always tell", which is a load of shite.

I live in a major city and don’t know any, though I see them about, lumbering around in their terrible clothes in their giant shoes. But then I work for myself. Some of my friend’s student daughters have boyfriends who call themselves they/them but it makes us laugh because they are obviously heterosexual young men. To be completely frank, have zero interest in befriending mentally ill people who make a mockery of womanhood. Nobody would harangue people of colour for not palling up with white people who claim to be the same race as them because they put on fake tan and dreadlocks/a sari.