Trans people

[Mog65]

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

YABU and I’m glad the courts have found some common sense and made this ruining in our favour it’s about time it happened.

Why?

As others have said they are women so what is the problem?

We don't object to tomboys or butch lesbians using female facilities. Which is the same thing.

Not among normal people, it’s not.

I have never heard anyone other than gender ideologues and captured media types (and even then you can often hear the invisible quote marks) use the term “cis”. It’s a ridiculous, unnecessary term that is designed to frame transwomen as equivalent in every way to biological women, that is, women. Which is simply untrue.

This 💯

I know I’m well behind the thread, but I had to stop reading to say this is the most illogical piece of analysis I’ve ever seen on MN. 😂

100% a fetish. Also why the need to announce this as if it’s some honour? Like wtf, have some fkn self respect. They are absolutely FETISHIZING being a (trans)woman here, and shouting it from the rooftops.

go away, no one cares, and stop blocking disabled toilets for those in true need. not a medical emergency whatsoever, self-righteous idiot.

I'm with you up until the last sentence.. I'm not sure about that, It's probably something I'll have to think about? In the mean time yes to third spaces.. no one can argue against that?

Someone one close to me, family adjacent, had surgery, she is now a he, "He" is with a fellow trans, he to she, it blows my mind

they're both under 25

Ah no gender ideologues do argue against third spaces, because it's 'othering'. Because this isn't really about safety, if it was then third spaces would be what they fought for, and I'd have happily fought alongside them. It's about controlling and dominating women and using us for validation of their 'identity'.

If your acquaintances have had genital surgery under 25 then that is a tragedy. Women do worse (surprise surprise) and are likely to need support to walk (because of the damage done to the leg where the 'penis' is harvested) and to be incontinent. Very few transpeople have genital surgery, which is a good thing because it's barbaric, causes major long term health issues, and doesn't work. Of transwomen who have surgery almost all only have facial surgery or breast implants, less than 5% I think it is have genital surgery.

Useful/interesting/ horrifying medical stats here: https://statsforgender.org/category/medical-transition/

Edited to add the post I was replying to

Jesus Christ. Why are these images/posts not being investigated by the police for inciting violence?

Because the unwritten rule has been that trans people can say and do as they please without reproach because they’re “vulnerable”…

This is why no humane government would attach rights to having the surgery.

I think people who suggest this haven’t thought it through.

This is so true what you said - using women to validate their identity!

Well the police didn't see a problem with convicted murderer 'Sarah Jane' Baker standing on a platform in public and exhorting a crowd to 'punch a terf in the face' so they're really not going to rouse themselves for posts on the internet.

Unless the posts are made by women of course, then they'll be round to check your thinking/ object to you being untoward about paedophiles. Or like this woman, https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4886878-woman-visited-by-west-midlands-police-for-taking-a-photo-of-a-sticker for taking a photo of a sticker. Y'know the really hateful stuff.

That'll be because Baker is a man...! Annd men like nothing more than to big up other men to do a number over women...

...oh, wait...!

Yep. If this was really about safety/just wanting to pee, Stonewall and the like could have campaigned for third spaces so all could be safe. In 2019 two transwomen started a campaign for that, and got no support from any of the huge organisations whose mission is apparently to make transpeople safe. Makes you think eh?

https://www.change.org/p/boris-johnson-a-plea-for-third-spaces-for-transgender-men-and-women

It’s very telling that women’s righteous anger and defence of their sex based rights is always demeaned as “pearl clutching”.

I'm really happy with the ruling-for me the safe space question is an important one, but not the only issue-it is also about preventing infringement on my identity and stopping my identity as a woman being re framed to prevent offence to the trans community

I refuse to accept the label cis. I find it offensive and should not be forced to accept this as a label. Men cannot experience menopause, menstruation, or giving birth-and this should never be a debate, just biological fact. These experiences exclusively belong to women, and should be protected a such.

Transwomen absolutely should be afforded protections-as a distinct and autonomous group-not as an infringement or imposition on women's rights. I actually could not care less where everyone pees (unisex toilets with cubicles are very common now and I have always felt safe), but I do absolutely care about sex specific spaces in hospitals and prisons.

Who are these people of which you speak? Does that include you?
How do you know?

You don’t know of anyone assaulted by a transwomen? Look up Amy George & Isla Bryson? What about the poor woman raped on a hospital ward and then treated as a liar because he transowmen was not considered capable of? ( is g it awful I know the transowmen perps names but not the victims. One victim was a child )

the sad fact is transowmen offend at the same rate as men

logically therefore if you say transowmen are welcome in all situations then you are saying men are equally welcome

you happy with men in women’s sports? You happy that your teenage daughter strips off in a gym changing room in front of men? Really?

I also think it’s wrong to call historic women who presented as men to get on in life ( work) or have lesbian relationships transgender - they had no choice and we don’t know if they had been better treated if they would have ok to be known as women

George sounds really scarey 😱. Not....

It's reality and fact based here. Navel grazing and twisting things into knots to avoid biological reality isn't helpful.

Women just want to protect their rights and safety. What's so wrong with that?

Trans people have plenty of protection just cannot push women's rights aside.

But when we express our choices, you say we’re hateful; so not really your ‘whole thing’

Webberley on X yesterday:

'Message to the little ladies out there nervously clutching their handbags, fumbling for their pearl necklaces, waiting for the Supreme Court to decide whether their precious space might be invaded: By those terrifying creatures with.… a PENIS. Here's an idea: Get a life.'
And:
'This Dad [a man who objected to adult men in changing rooms] is sending a clear message to his nine year old daughter that men are to be feared. No they are not, stop giving young girls this message.'

Those who would harm and endanger children and are cavalier about women's protections are ALWAYS on the same side.

Nothing's wrong with that. There are, however, many men who, when their personal perception of things are challenged - with evidence and plenty of it - are too cowardly to reassess their own thinking and instead will gleefully shoot the messenger.

However the message is, and will always be, the message

Well, men are to be feared.