Trans people

[Mog65]

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

Please find me the comment where i said this thread was equally as bad as those websites. I have certainly said both are bad. Never that they are comparatively bad.

How convenient.

How snide.

You're never getting an answer because there isn't one....not that I wouldn't like to see certain posters try.

I've already done it for you once. Your memory can't possibly be that bad

You havent. I think maybe you just dont understand

This is so true. We live our lives on alert and definitely know a trans woman is a man.

I have a sibling who is a trans woman. He looks just like me (tall, slim with boobs, long hair, ladies clothes) although he is 6’2 and I’m 5’10”. He takes hormones and has smooth skin, no whiskers and his face is rounder than before he took the meds (aged around 22 and is 36 now). You can tell we are siblings and no matter how hard he tries you can tell he’s a man!

Uh, no - I am very much in favour of single sex spaces. I can barely stand being seen by a male doctor, for example, so single sex spaces to me feel absolutely essential.

A handful of users ganged up on me for using the word “cis”, that’s all. And no, I wasn’t aware it’s consider a slur on MN.

‘I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population’.

You like your hyperbole don’t you?! 😂 Nothing has changed for them, it is the same today as it was yesterday, TW are men and TM are women, that applies to both biological fact and in law, all that has happened is that the definition of sex in the Equality Act has been clarified to mean, without exception, biological sex.

I’m sure you’ll get over it at some point.

Isn’t it just the feelz, I could have sworn that’s what it was?!

This whole trans debacle just demonstrates whole awful some men are (not all! My partner - a man - saw it for what it was well before I did; as he’d not been conditioned by the whole ‘be kind’ crap lots of us women are susceptible to) and how women are still seen as nothing. It’s so depressing.
I just hope sometime, not too far in the future, all will look back on this era with disbelief and horror…
‘Rape/punch/stab a terf (woman)’ shouted out by men… and that’s OK. Men beating women to a pulp in boxing/fighting matches. That’s fine. Jesus wept.
Why does everyone hate us so much??
Is it two women a week are killed by a male partner or former partner? Isn’t that enough hate fulfilled for them? Let alone the statistics on rape/SA. So many of us will have been a victim of this, but this apparently doesn’t compare to the hurt feelings of a small percentage of men who like to wear dresses/have a fetish.

Ah yes, the nebulous feelz, I forgot.

If they are the best the ‘community’ can muster for their representation….

I promise you, I’ve clocked every single make up earring, cross dressing man I’ve ever come across. Just because women are polite and say nothing doesn’t mean we don’t spot them. In real life (rather than in carefully edited pictures/videos), it’s blatantly bloody obvious.

I’ve gone down this rabbit hole and by the end of it my conclusion was that they simply believe self-identification = reality. So basically if you say you’re a woman, then you’re a woman. Or vice versa.

I’m not sure at what point in time this started becoming the new reality (or rather, trying to). I have no issue at all with trans women, provided we can all accept the reality that their existence is just different for ours. For example in Thailand ladyboys have no issue with being ladyboys. It’s their reality and they are okay with that.

To try to explain why you may feel I'm paying your posts too much attention, @HazelShark , this post might give you some ideas. I find it difficult enough to read the endless misogyny coming from men on this subject, when it's coming from a woman it just makes it much worse. Having you say feminist threads are as hateful as websites full of violent, woman hating vitriol and graphic descriptions of physically abusing women makes me very angry. My days of "be kind" are very much over.

It is considered a slur other places as well. not just MN.

This.

A biological man will always be such. They can’t get rid of their penis. Same for a biological woman with her clitoris. Personally, I am glad of the result. The court case involving NHS Fife opened up a can of worms, and rightly so. Sandie had every right to make her grievance known. I don’t want a man, whether he identifies as female or not, undressing in the same room as me, or going for a pee in the same toilets. It is not normal.

Men still have a huge amount of testosterone in their system and can “turn” on biological women whenever they have that urge. It’s time these trans folk stopped wingeing about their rights,and just get on with life. What about biological women? Are we supposed to just sit back and accept the bullying tactics?! I don’t think so.

When trans folk start accepting biology for what it is, then we will maybe accept them. It works both ways. It’s not all about them and it needs to stop.

@Helleofabore I have a feeling I don’t frequent those other places so I’m cool with that, thanks

Men really don't like it when women stand up and say, "Actually no you can't."

We will. Men can't. Even if they think they're female. What would they know about being a woman?

I think we became so complacent in the belief that we were, as a whole, now enlightened enough to know that women don’t have to accept that we’re just fodder for men’s violent or sexual urges, that’s it’s been quite a shock that the trans crap has taken away that veneer - and … we actually still are (or should shut up and accept we still are).
It’s just dressed up ( pun intended) in a different way.
All the apologist for this BS should crawl back under the rock they came from

They will never understand how painful childbirth is. They will never understand how crap we feel when we have periods, going through perimenopause, and menopause. Their bodies are not biologically built to withstand all this crap. Their brains are not wired to deal with what we deal with. I’d like to see them go through what we deal with to keep the world ticking over with future generations. They wouldn’t last five minutes.

I really wish somebody would answer this - it isn't a gotcha - it's the heart of the judgement yesterday:

“We can identify no good reason why the legislature should have intended that sex-based rights and protections under the EA 2010 should apply to these complex, heterogenous groupings, rather than to the distinct group of, biological, women and girls, or men and boys, with their shared biology leading to shared disadvantage and discrimination faced by them as a distinct group.”

The lack of engagement with this question leads me to believe that many people, including posters on this thread and people like James O'Brien are commenting from a position of deliberate ignorance.

I'm with you up until the last sentence.. I'm not sure about that, It's probably something I'll have to think about? In the mean time yes to third spaces.. no one can argue against that?

Someone one close to me, family adjacent, had surgery, she is now a he, "He" is with a fellow trans, he to she, it blows my mind

they're both under 25