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To ask a friend for her 15yo to stay at home?

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Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 17:51

Every year my friendship group does an annual day out to somewhere a bit more fun/expensive than your usual day out. All the kids (12) are currently under 5 apart from my friends SS who is now 15. It was working well up until a couple of years ago when my friends SS turned 13 and understandably lost interest in playing with toddlers including his younger sister.

We’ve always done things more aimed towards the 15yo as the others were too young to really care about what they were doing but the last two years, the 15yo has spent the day walking round behind the group, on his phone, not wanting to socialise with any of the kids or adults. I don’t blame him, he’s a teenager, but it was obvious he didn’t really want to be there and would rather be with his friends or girlfriend than all of us.

This year, as the younger kids are getting older we suggested going somewhere that was more aimed towards that age range as they make up most of the group. Mum is still insistent on bringing the 15yo and is making it impossible to arrange anything, as everything that is suggested she turns down as it’s too young for her teenager and he would be bored.

I completely understand she wants to include him but as the years go on, I also get the impression she only really wants him at places to babysit his younger sister so she can spend the day chatting. She is always talking about how much hard work and how annoying her toddler is and when ever we see them throughout the year it’s always the 15yo doing most of the parenting. In my opinion the poor kid is being dragged around to act as babysitter for his little sister when his parents cba. We are then taking a group of 12 toddlers to places they don’t or can’t enjoy because they are too small to cater for the 15 year old - who then spends the whole day miserable and not wanting to socialise with anyone. It just seems like a waste of money for the majority of the group as we are only going to these places for the 15yo who then doesn’t enjoy himself anyway.

After her declining suggestions from several people in our friendship group, I suggested to his mum that maybe he would prefer to go out with his friends/girlfriend/other family members for the day instead of coming out with us this year and she went absolutely mad about it and is taking it very personally. I heard the whole ‘you’re only saying that because he was my child first’ basically referring to the fact he is a SS, which is just ridiculous considering we have all always bent over backwards to include him in everything from day 1 (which was several years ago).

Now I’m sitting here second guessing myself, was I being unreasonable to suggest he might prefer to stay with friends this year?

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Loopytiles · 14/04/2025 17:53

Just set the place to suit the majority of the group and invite her and her DC, if she declines so be it.

yeesh · 14/04/2025 17:54

She’s a knob. Just have a bite and choose something that suits most of the kids if she doesn’t want to come then that’s up to her.

hopeishere · 14/04/2025 17:55

If he comes and is bored fair enough. But you can’t shape the whole day round him.

NewtPond · 14/04/2025 17:56

Arrange it to suit the majority. She has the choice to attend or not.

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 14/04/2025 17:59

She can turn down all the suggestions she wants, just say 'no problem, hope to see you at the next one :)' and go to the event.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 14/04/2025 18:01

What are you suggesting that she’s saying no to? Are you suggesting soft play or a farm park which is obviously catering for younger children or are you suggesting something that would be toddler friendly but could hold the interest of a teen like the zoo, aquarium, theme park with a good kids area etc? She can’t expect a day of go-karting or tree top assault course etc if most of the group are toddlers just because her teen would like that, but equally it shouldn’t be a place that only caters for toddlers and I think as long as you’re suggesting somewhere that is a reasonable day out for all ages then if her teen still doesn’t want to go because his interests are super specific it would be fine to suggest maybe she leave him at home.

SunnySideDeepDown · 14/04/2025 18:03

I hate people like her, tone deaf and selfish.

I’d contact a few behind the scenes and see what they think. If they agree with you, be more firm in your suggestion.

”I’m thinking XYZ this year, who’s in?” Make sure your friends get in quick to say yes. If she kicks off, just ignore and proceed to asking for confirmations for booking.

Neveragain35 · 14/04/2025 18:03

Could you suggest the 15yo bring a friend?

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 14/04/2025 18:03

MolkosTeenageAngst · 14/04/2025 18:01

What are you suggesting that she’s saying no to? Are you suggesting soft play or a farm park which is obviously catering for younger children or are you suggesting something that would be toddler friendly but could hold the interest of a teen like the zoo, aquarium, theme park with a good kids area etc? She can’t expect a day of go-karting or tree top assault course etc if most of the group are toddlers just because her teen would like that, but equally it shouldn’t be a place that only caters for toddlers and I think as long as you’re suggesting somewhere that is a reasonable day out for all ages then if her teen still doesn’t want to go because his interests are super specific it would be fine to suggest maybe she leave him at home.

Can't imagine a teenager who already doesn't want to be there would enjoy traipsing round a zoo/aquarium etc. with loads of women and pre schoolers.

His step mother is weird and there's no reason to indulge her.

Schoolchoicesucks · 14/04/2025 18:04

No, you weren't U. Would you have made the same suggestion if he wasn't her SS but her DS? If so then it's clearly nothing to do with him being a SS but just that he is a teenager and it is bonkers to arrange an outing centred around 1 teenager and ignoring the needs of 12 preschoolers.

You've already drawn her wrath, you can either keep going and suggest "seems it's really tricky to find one day out that works well for everyone. How about we plan a couple of different things that people can opt into or not." Then obviously everyone except her can choose to go along with one of the previously suggested age appropriate days out. And she is free to decline that and organise a different thing that others cam decline to join.

Or you could find another friend to make that suggestion if you don't want to be the "baddie" again.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:06

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 14/04/2025 17:59

She can turn down all the suggestions she wants, just say 'no problem, hope to see you at the next one :)' and go to the event.

This is the stage I’m at 😂. Unfortunately the rest of my group aren’t as forthcoming with their feelings so I end up always having to deliver the bad/awkward news to people. I just wanted some opinions of strangers to make sure I wasn’t being unreasonable.

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FishfingerFlinger · 14/04/2025 18:06

Honestly there really isn’t any day out you can suggest which is going to make hanging out with a bunch of mums and young kids appealing to a 15 yo.

Compromising to please him is pretty futile. YANBU

PeppermintPatty10 · 14/04/2025 18:06

Could the day be in two parts, for example activity and then meal, and then he joins for the meal?

CarrieOnComplaining · 14/04/2025 18:06

It would have been better to respond to the suggestions on the group chat with ‘in reality, the vast majority of the kids are U5 so it’s going to be an attract that suits little ones’ and all voted for that. Then it isn’t really your business to worry about her eldest being bored. Focus on what you and the rest of the group want to do.

Chungai · 14/04/2025 18:06

She's being a dick.

Put suggestions to a vote using the poll function on WhatsApp assuming that's how you communicate as a group.

Go with the majority

Why does one person get to veto?

CarrieOnComplaining · 14/04/2025 18:08

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:06

This is the stage I’m at 😂. Unfortunately the rest of my group aren’t as forthcoming with their feelings so I end up always having to deliver the bad/awkward news to people. I just wanted some opinions of strangers to make sure I wasn’t being unreasonable.

Ask for suggestions .
Put up a Poll in the WhatsApp group.
Ask everyone to vote. Maybe to vote for 2 options if there are lots of suggestions.

FishfingerFlinger · 14/04/2025 18:09

You need to put the ball in her court - what is she suggesting that would work for her DS? She can’t just say no to suggestions if she’s not putting forward any ideas herself.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:09

MolkosTeenageAngst · 14/04/2025 18:01

What are you suggesting that she’s saying no to? Are you suggesting soft play or a farm park which is obviously catering for younger children or are you suggesting something that would be toddler friendly but could hold the interest of a teen like the zoo, aquarium, theme park with a good kids area etc? She can’t expect a day of go-karting or tree top assault course etc if most of the group are toddlers just because her teen would like that, but equally it shouldn’t be a place that only caters for toddlers and I think as long as you’re suggesting somewhere that is a reasonable day out for all ages then if her teen still doesn’t want to go because his interests are super specific it would be fine to suggest maybe she leave him at home.

No suggestions of a soft play or a farm park as those things are basically all there is to do where we live so we would do a few times throughout the year.

Some of the suggestions have been things like you’ve mentioned, zoos, local forest parks, legoland, aquarium followed by day at the seaside, one person suggested London but we voted against that as we have 12 under 5s and think that would be more stressful than anything else, miniature railway type places.

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Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:10

SunnySideDeepDown · 14/04/2025 18:03

I hate people like her, tone deaf and selfish.

I’d contact a few behind the scenes and see what they think. If they agree with you, be more firm in your suggestion.

”I’m thinking XYZ this year, who’s in?” Make sure your friends get in quick to say yes. If she kicks off, just ignore and proceed to asking for confirmations for booking.

I think this is my next move once I’ve gathered opinions from this thread!

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DecafDodger · 14/04/2025 18:12

who made her the queen, and why does she think she gets to veto things everybody else wants to do?
WhatsApp poll. whoever does not like the activity that the group has chosen, can propose a better one next time.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:13

Neveragain35 · 14/04/2025 18:03

Could you suggest the 15yo bring a friend?

We had actually already suggested that but the issue isn’t him being by himself, it’s the places we have suggested as nothing is good enough. Plus she wasn’t overly keen on having to look after another child for day…she “doesn’t even like looking after her own so she doesn’t want an extra responsibility” her exact words when it was suggested lol.

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Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:16

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 14/04/2025 18:03

Can't imagine a teenager who already doesn't want to be there would enjoy traipsing round a zoo/aquarium etc. with loads of women and pre schoolers.

His step mother is weird and there's no reason to indulge her.

Exactly, there isn’t anything he wants to do with us and that’s the problem. What he likes doing is playing football with his mates, gardening with his grandad. He’s not interested in zoos etc.

And she’s his actual mum, not step mum. My friend is his step dad. Which I think is why she is taking it so personally as I think she now feels like we are excluding him because she isn’t my friends biological child, which as I’ve said it stupid because we’ve never excluded him from anything including our wedding when we had never even met the kid and his mum only once before and he still got a invite.

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pizzaHeart · 14/04/2025 18:17

NewtPond · 14/04/2025 17:56

Arrange it to suit the majority. She has the choice to attend or not.

This ^
set up a poll in your whats/ FB group and the place which gets most votes wins. Others have a choice to join or not. I think it’s the only realistic approach when organising group activities.
YANBU in your expectations but your approach was wrong, it’s obvious that you wouldn’t be able to reason with her.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:19

Schoolchoicesucks · 14/04/2025 18:04

No, you weren't U. Would you have made the same suggestion if he wasn't her SS but her DS? If so then it's clearly nothing to do with him being a SS but just that he is a teenager and it is bonkers to arrange an outing centred around 1 teenager and ignoring the needs of 12 preschoolers.

You've already drawn her wrath, you can either keep going and suggest "seems it's really tricky to find one day out that works well for everyone. How about we plan a couple of different things that people can opt into or not." Then obviously everyone except her can choose to go along with one of the previously suggested age appropriate days out. And she is free to decline that and organise a different thing that others cam decline to join.

Or you could find another friend to make that suggestion if you don't want to be the "baddie" again.

Absolutely, I feel sorry for the 15yo to be perfectly honest. I actually suggested him staying at home to try and help him out a bit as you can just see in his face he is hating life when we go out together. Makes no difference whose child it was. If he was mine I would be suggesting he stays at home too.

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Hankunamatata · 14/04/2025 18:20

Surely a 15 year old would like legoland well enough. He could take himself off

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