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To ask a friend for her 15yo to stay at home?

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Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 17:51

Every year my friendship group does an annual day out to somewhere a bit more fun/expensive than your usual day out. All the kids (12) are currently under 5 apart from my friends SS who is now 15. It was working well up until a couple of years ago when my friends SS turned 13 and understandably lost interest in playing with toddlers including his younger sister.

We’ve always done things more aimed towards the 15yo as the others were too young to really care about what they were doing but the last two years, the 15yo has spent the day walking round behind the group, on his phone, not wanting to socialise with any of the kids or adults. I don’t blame him, he’s a teenager, but it was obvious he didn’t really want to be there and would rather be with his friends or girlfriend than all of us.

This year, as the younger kids are getting older we suggested going somewhere that was more aimed towards that age range as they make up most of the group. Mum is still insistent on bringing the 15yo and is making it impossible to arrange anything, as everything that is suggested she turns down as it’s too young for her teenager and he would be bored.

I completely understand she wants to include him but as the years go on, I also get the impression she only really wants him at places to babysit his younger sister so she can spend the day chatting. She is always talking about how much hard work and how annoying her toddler is and when ever we see them throughout the year it’s always the 15yo doing most of the parenting. In my opinion the poor kid is being dragged around to act as babysitter for his little sister when his parents cba. We are then taking a group of 12 toddlers to places they don’t or can’t enjoy because they are too small to cater for the 15 year old - who then spends the whole day miserable and not wanting to socialise with anyone. It just seems like a waste of money for the majority of the group as we are only going to these places for the 15yo who then doesn’t enjoy himself anyway.

After her declining suggestions from several people in our friendship group, I suggested to his mum that maybe he would prefer to go out with his friends/girlfriend/other family members for the day instead of coming out with us this year and she went absolutely mad about it and is taking it very personally. I heard the whole ‘you’re only saying that because he was my child first’ basically referring to the fact he is a SS, which is just ridiculous considering we have all always bent over backwards to include him in everything from day 1 (which was several years ago).

Now I’m sitting here second guessing myself, was I being unreasonable to suggest he might prefer to stay with friends this year?

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BoredZelda · 14/04/2025 18:20

You’ve been arranging a group day out around the wants of one child? Tell her you’re going to do what’s best for the majority of the group. You’ve been pandering to her for too long.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:22

FishfingerFlinger · 14/04/2025 18:06

Honestly there really isn’t any day out you can suggest which is going to make hanging out with a bunch of mums and young kids appealing to a 15 yo.

Compromising to please him is pretty futile. YANBU

Well this is the struggle. As I mentioned we always catered for him in the past as the others were too young to care, but now they need some proper entertainment during the day it’s almost impossible to think of something to do. If the ages were reversed and there were more older kids than younger I would say do something the older ones want to do, so it shouldn’t really be any different especially as I think a 15 yo is old enough to stay with friends/family/girlfriend by himself.

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SalmonEile · 14/04/2025 18:22

What sort of places is she suggesting?
If the 15 year old is expected to babysit the toddler he’s gonna be bored anyway no matter where you go

Neveragain35 · 14/04/2025 18:23

Has she actually made any suggestions? If not, you could put it in the group chat as- we’re going to vote on what’s been suggested so far, has anyone got anything else to add? Then it’s up to her to throw something into the mix.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:25

PeppermintPatty10 · 14/04/2025 18:06

Could the day be in two parts, for example activity and then meal, and then he joins for the meal?

They live about 1 hour away from the rest of us currently so we tend to chose somewhere halfway to meet up or we all travel somewhere that is an equal distance. It would have been a fab idea but the 15yo wouldn’t have a way of getting to us for the meal and we wouldn’t all travel a hour in the wrong direction to meet him. Which probably sounds really horrible but it’s just a bit too far when we then know we have another hours drive back to get home.

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SheridansPortSalut · 14/04/2025 18:28

You made a mistake saying what you said. It was never going to go down well.

If it's still happening, let her find an activity that's suitable for all ages.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:30

Chungai · 14/04/2025 18:06

She's being a dick.

Put suggestions to a vote using the poll function on WhatsApp assuming that's how you communicate as a group.

Go with the majority

Why does one person get to veto?

Im a bit put off with polls because I actually do one to arrange the date for this outgoing every year and the last 3 years on the trott she has literally only picked one day out of about 4 months worth of Saturday and Sundays, that she could attend 😅. Her life centres around the 15yo, i have no issues with it, do what you want but it does make everything so much harder as it always ends up being about him, god forbid he misses a football or karate practice for one day of the year.

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ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 14/04/2025 18:30

Two of your friends are shitty parents who palm their toddler off to a teenager and the rest are wet blankets or happy to let you be the bad guy all the time. Sack them all off and go out with better people!

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:33

FishfingerFlinger · 14/04/2025 18:09

You need to put the ball in her court - what is she suggesting that would work for her DS? She can’t just say no to suggestions if she’s not putting forward any ideas herself.

Tried this she suggested an activity that involves a single train ride and a play park. Which is 100% aimed at toddlers, costs an absolute arm and a leg and conveniently is very close to her house (she lives a hour away from all of us). I did say to here surely 15yo wouldn’t be interested in going on this train ride and a play park when he isn’t interested in going to a miniature railway - which is one of the suggestions she turned down. She never replied and hasn’t made any other suggestions since.

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DecafDodger · 14/04/2025 18:34

with a large friendship group, it's not expected you can find a date that works for everybody and an activitiy that everyone likes. You go with majority vote and pick the date and activity most voted for - if some can't make it, too bad, see you next time.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:35

Hankunamatata · 14/04/2025 18:20

Surely a 15 year old would like legoland well enough. He could take himself off

He doesn’t like rides.. so that got very quickly shut down. That was actually the first suggestion someone made as we thought it would be good for everyone and they had good deals on at the time.

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Silvertulips · 14/04/2025 18:36

You put up a poll -

Say we can do X on date or date
or Y or Date or date

X is ££

Y is £££

We will choose the majority vote and leave it at that.

Everyone can do one or both.

Then the balls in her court - stop pandering to her.

MooFroo · 14/04/2025 18:36

why are you all pandering to her?

if there’s 12 younger kids, prioritise stuff that’s fun for them and you as parents - simple

if she’s pissed off or can’t attend, that’s her choice and she can arrange something for her elder child and his friends.

why should you all suffer and pay for the privilege for her?

Silvertulips · 14/04/2025 18:37

And just think about your own kids having a nice day out - after all your toddlers aren’t invited in his school trips and she can take him herself to theme parks

Moonnstars · 14/04/2025 18:37

Agree that you need to now go with the majority. If all the younger ones would like the suggestions being made then she needs to just suck it up and take the teenager with her and allow them to play on a phone or whatever for the day, or just leave them at home.
Organising any group outing is always a nightmare and potentially not going to meet the needs of everyone so I think it will have to be 'we are meeting on date at venue, lovely to see everyone there. Let me know who can make it'.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:37

BoredZelda · 14/04/2025 18:20

You’ve been arranging a group day out around the wants of one child? Tell her you’re going to do what’s best for the majority of the group. You’ve been pandering to her for too long.

I know, sounds a bit ridiculous now you’ve put it in black and white!! I never really thought anything of it until now as the other kids were so small that they were happy just toddling about so we thought we would do something that was fun for the older one.

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Eldermillennialmum · 14/04/2025 18:38

Just pick somewhere suitable for the majority as it doesn't make sense to plan around one teenager and then it's up to them if they want to come

Moonnstars · 14/04/2025 18:39

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:35

He doesn’t like rides.. so that got very quickly shut down. That was actually the first suggestion someone made as we thought it would be good for everyone and they had good deals on at the time.

I don't like rides but Legoland is absolutely fine! Most rides are not that scary and he could simply go on the tamer stuff if he wanted. There is also miniland to look around so not just rides.

Quiceinalifetime · 14/04/2025 18:40

Has anyone asked this boy what he wants to do? He might need a break from his mum and sibling. You could just tell her that the boy can't come because what you are planning is not suitable. Surely her toddler will play with the other children and not need a one to one minder all day.

Saladleaves17 · 14/04/2025 18:40

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 14/04/2025 18:30

Two of your friends are shitty parents who palm their toddler off to a teenager and the rest are wet blankets or happy to let you be the bad guy all the time. Sack them all off and go out with better people!

😂very tempting I must say! My husband agrees with you. He has little patience for any of this.

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Cardinalita90 · 14/04/2025 18:43

Your friend has a million other opportunities to have quality time with her oldest amd do suitable activities. He's probably mortified being about with the mums and toddler massive! Put your foot down (but get others on board first to back you up) and let her come or not.

Noshowlomo · 14/04/2025 18:48

Time for a poll in WhatsApp.
Is she just having a go at you or has anyone else agreed?
I think message a few separately and then say “right these are the options, vote for one of these” and these are the dates and times… we’ll go with majority vote

Cherrysherbet · 14/04/2025 18:54

She sounds like bloody hard work.
Go with the majority. It’s the only fair way to do it.
She can like it or lump it.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 14/04/2025 18:54

You don't like polls but if you just put the suggestions down for a vote and say 'we'll go for the one with the most votes' then if she doesn't agree to the result of the vote tough. Sounds like she could do with being phased out. Feel very sorry for her toddler.

BillyBoe46 · 14/04/2025 18:56

What about Chessington? There's rides for little kids, the aquarium and zoo. The 15 year old has loafs of bigger rides he could go on.

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