Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

[YourTidyScroller]

Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

Another thread about this?🥱

Is the person claiming the raft of benefits described above really better off than someone working 40 hours on minimum wage? They would need to take home ~£1,700 a month, which seems unlikely.

You don't get both UC and ESA do you?

Yeah, you're right, they probably enjoy their MH problems. They can be super fun, so why would anyone want to recover.

So these people are showing their bank statements OP?

That's a little concerning. How many of your ' friends ' are giving you access to their accounts to determine this.

And OP, what do you think the solution may be?

They are telling me they get more than they would get in a national minimum wage job.

You're right, disabled people should just be left to rot in a corner.

Why do you specify mental health problems? Your implication is that mental and physical health problems should be treated differently, is that right and if so why?

You can, if you qualify for contribution-based ESA and get UC for children and housing costs.

The ESA is treated as income and is deducted from your UC.

You know several people like this you say?

How come? Do you work in this sort of field?

Why are you specifically aiming at people with mental health issues rather than physical ones?

Well if they worked a full time minimum wage job, their income would likely still be supplemented by UC, so if they are able to
work, they’ll be better off financially.

Do you suppose that perhaps their doctors are more qualified to know what limitations their medical conditions have than you?

FFS give it a bloody rest.

If benefits are so attractive then go and claim them yourself instead of wishing punishment on others

Ah thanks so OP is saying UC and ESA like the person's getting two lots of money but the amount of one is deducted from the other?

Why would the OP want readers to think these many people on benefits get more than they actually do?

@YourTidyScroller i expect you are also the sort of delightful person who would get annoyed at colleagues with MH issues needing reasonable adjustments/ time off for their health issues . With some people you just can’t win they’ll whinge regardless of the situation.

If, and it’s a big IF, the point you’re trying to make is that wages have been allowed to get way to low for people to live decent lives on, the you’re not being unreasonable. If however, and I fear the worst, that isn’t your point, then well, you know don’t you?

I specified it because I do not know anyone with mental health problems who employ carers with their income. I do know people who do not work due to physical disabilities or issues such as brain damage, who employ carers. They are not well off as a result.

Why mental health problems exactly?
Or are just yet another poster who thinks somone only has to tell their GP they feel a bit anxious or low and automaticslly gets PIP
And has zero understanding of severe and enduring mental illness

Is this a friend op or is it your friends stepmothers second cousin twice removed and someone has told you about it.

it’s weird how people are saying people with disabilities and mental health problems need benefits cutting yet huge companies avoiding tax and mps having yet another pay rise is somehow not mentioned

it’s simply because disabled people are a much an easier target.

@YourTidyScroller time to get a hobby for yourself. Maybe come away from the Daily Mail for a while too.

How would anyone on UC afford to employ carers? It's all very confusing.

There isn’t one flat rate of PIP. Someone with mental health problems who doesn’t require as much hands on help as someone might with a physical disability, is likely receiving a lower rate.

There’s still time to quit while you’re ahead here. Other people’s medical conditions and income are not your business.

These are friends. Mental health problems are common you know.

My brother has been on ESA & PIP for decades.

He's bipolar, and it is only kept under control by 4-weekly injections of (iirc) aripiprazole. For the first two weeks or so after each injection, he's like a fucking zombie: speech slurred, mental functions really slow, short term memory shot, sleeping shedloads. Then he has a few days where he's almost normal, before he starts to get really hyper, has delusional thoughts and can't focus on anything, and talking utter nonsense.

What sort of job do you think he could do, OP? He'll be 60 in a few weeks and hasn't been well enough to work since his mid-20s. Who's likely to give him a job?