Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

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Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

I suspect your friends are depressed and they definitely deserve a high income.

Thank you!
I have consistently said I know these friends have mental health problems. I believe they can not currently work. I do not think they should get more income than many people working, or than they would likely get working if their mental health improved.

Quite often on these threads it's interesting how the UC for housing that someone who cannot work gets is counted as their income that they're free to spend, but the UC for housing someone on minimum wage living in the same area would also get is completely ignored.

Almost like it's convenient...

You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Employers should be made to pay a living wage, not the pretend one we currently have. Jobs offering zero hours or less than 24 hours should be outlawed. It's not that benefits are great more that wages are shit.
My son has just been awarded pip to go with his esa he would much rather work than be like a pp said and stay awake all night with the dark suicidal thoughts he has.
He had a dog (which his sister pays the upkeep for incase you were thinking he shouldn't use his benefits to pay for company) unfortunately she had to be put to sleep on Thursday so I have been more stressed than usual worrying about him. But you carry on begrudging him an income.
Unless you have suffered from or witnessed genuine ill mental health you have no fucking clue.

And what will the state pension be worth in 15-25 years?

Yes I’d be interested to know this too as clearly OP has scrutinised the finances and circumstances of all 3 ‘friends’ before posting about this.

You are wrong.
And depression is common amongst those working.

You have imagined that, the OP said nothing of the sort.

Do you believe that if a person who has some kind of disability is now starting a job they would like to work at, they should have to consider that it might mean loss of income?

and how many companies will hire you if your honest and say you have mental health issues and may require time off etc

Oh God, please make these threads stop.

OP "suggested" that people with mental health issues don't want to get better because of the money. I don't see how that is defendable in any way at all. We're all just here happily suffering and unable to function like a normal person because the money is so good apparently.

I'm always surprised at how people know the exact circumstances of their neighbours and 'friends' disabilities and income.

my condolences to the dog

or please god make people demand better pay from companies

I didn't say you did. I said you implied it.

Why did you create a goady, ableist thread, when there are so many already in existence? It's getting very tedious.

You are on the wrong forum to post this - you will get flamed for stating the obvious, I am afraid.

They don't have to consider this though. Someone on UC with LCWRA can work and not lose that LCWRA, they are also likely to benefit from the work allowance when they have LCW or LCWRA in place. Someone on ESA who wants to try working can do so without losing any benefits as long as it's within the permitted work earnings limit.

No one who is able to work is better off not working. They dont just hand out PIP to anyone? And UC is heavily capped for those that don’t earn a minimum amount.

The minimum wage should be higher. Absolutely. The government don’t even consider it a living wage which is why you can claim UC top ups.

But the two aren’t mutually exclusive. I still don’t think we should make our disabled live a life of poverty.

@lazyarse123 I am sorry to hear about your son.
But you have not read the thread. I DO have mental health issues well managed by medication. I know what it can be like. I also have a physical disability. I am glad my mental health issues are better managed.

I think people with mental health issues who can not work should get benefits. I just do not think they should get more than someone working full time on national minimum wage.

what about companies stop taking the piss and actually pay better wages

Yes. Nobody should get more in benefits than a minimum wage job pays.

I also think it’s dependent on the type of MH. Ie, obviously someone with schizophrenia or similar severe MH issues, absolutely cannot work, and should receive financial help. But MH issues which identify as social anxiety or stress should have to seek therapy and follow that therapy, which means confronting your problems and getting help for it. Too many people who say they have social anxiety are not willing to get the help offered, and prefer to stay home claiming benefits, because that’s the easy option.

I've known people who wanted to take a job but it would mean loss of income. They, reasonably enough, were worried about that loss of income.

So yes, in a way it is a disincentive, especially for people with kids who will be affected.

then tell companies to do better and pay better,

It's relevant because we all know very well it's another goading thread with a very clear sentiment regarding ' lazy benefit sponges '.