Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

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Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

In theory. In practice my friends can only work if their mental health improves in which case they would lose those benefits.

Like those gosh danged quadriplegics. They’d soon be up and about if someone stopped their benefits….

Your critical thinking skills are lacking.

Disabled people should not be getting less, employers should be paying more.

Yes working can be helpful for someone with mild depression however i have know some peoole with such severe depression ,they were catatonic and the only thing that helped them was ECT ,when someone has that level of depression ,bright and breezy advice such as go for a walk isnt going to cut it.

This is nothing new op. I used to volunteer in this sort of work 20+ years ago. People on sickness benefits back then were better off financially than minimum wage workers. Plus, they got priority access to council housing.

Which benefits would they lose? PIP isn’t an out of work benefit? Their UC entitlement would reduce slightly but they’d also have their wages.

I think because some mental health issues would still have costs that a person without mental health issues wouldnt have.

One cost in particular would be housing. Depending on the mental health issue in question, I'm not sure a house share would be appropriate (which is the expectation on single people in minimum wage) It cause safety issues for either the person with mental health issues or for thier housemates.

False. I did not.
I did say it was a disincentive to improving your mental health.

Is this a thread where we solve why wages are so low in the UK, or is it a thread where we all shout at each other? Asking for me.

I've raised this on previous threads. The reply is that certain organisations would leave if they felt it wasn't cost effective to remain in the UK.

I don't believe that every corporation would just leave if compelled to pay a slightly higher salary via legislation introduced by Government.

I may be wrong, I may be naive.

Why?

So what you're saying is, people who are unable to work for health reasons, should not be given enough money to live on?

NMW isn't enough to live on as it is, which is why some working people get a UC top up.

Why do you want disabled people to get less than it costs to live on, especially when it costs about £1000 extra a month for a disabled person to literally just exist?

You can be all wide-eyed and innocent if you like, but we all know it's just another ableist thread.

You’re seriously comparing a quadriplegic with someone with mental health issues?

then it does not give companies the right to have what abouts to slave labour ?

This is one solution, however it's not that simple if minimum wage, or other mechanisms to force higher wages, aren't in play.

In plenty of sectors people buy the cheapest products and services, so the company that pays workers the least will have an advantage. There will always be companies like this that serve those with the least to spend.

So what's really necessary is a mechanism that would mean jobs reflect a real living wage.

It's a thread where the OP doesn't see that that is the actual problem here, not the amount that disabled people get on benefits.

I agree.

It should not be necessary for people in full-time work to have to claim in work benefits. That is the actual problem here.

And we know that higher wages aren’t going to be coming anytime soon with Labour upping employer national insurance contributions…

Why should people with mental health problems get benefits that are more than full time on the minimum wage though?

I can’t see much incentive to try and get back into work if that is the case.

That’s not what OP said

Gosh, what a novel idea for a thread!

Do we have to have this thread every day? What is this, Groundhog Day?

It does get tiring repeatedly explaining this to you.

There is a certain minimum that people need to exist, the benefits system barely reaches this level. Expecting people to live on this is unreasonable. It is not unreasonable to expect employers to pay more than enough for people to barely exist on..

What is it about that that you find so complicated to understand?

Yes. Someone who has been deemed unfit to work, whether through physical or mental disability, cannot just fix themselves because benefits might be cut. That’s the comparison.

There will be people who are quadriplegic who are perfectly capable of work and there will be people with mental health conditions who are perfectly able to work. That does not extend to everyone with either condition. Nor does it give anyone else the right to decide whether or not they think someone is capable of work.

lets leave that to the doctors shall we

It’s not as simple as that though is it? Companies also have bills etc to pay

I want to know why. I want to know if it's legitimately because it will dis incentivise employers to remain here. I find that hard to believe.

I find it hard to believe select corporations can't afford to pay much more and be compelled to do so. I don't understand why it isn't happening.

It would be great if it was only once a day instead of several times every day🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️

It's so tiresome.