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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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JLou08 · 31/03/2025 21:32

Start trying to collect evidence yourself, pictures, messages, emails, voice recordings even. Call the police every time you know abuse is occurring. The police don't need a victim to agree to prosecution if there is enough evidence to charge without it.
With your mum having health needs she may be elligible for safeguarding under the Care Act, TBH they are unlikely to do anything if your mum doesn't consent and/or engage with them but I would still call Adult Social Care or do an online referral to get all this recorded on their system.
He sounds like a dangerous young man, if someone doesn't do something it will escalate. It's not just your mum at risk, it's other women too. He really needs to be stopped. If he can't be stopped now, every bit that is reported will build an evidence base which could stop him in the future.
For people doubting this, I work in Social Care and have come across situations like this more than once.

Lilactimes · 31/03/2025 21:32

Dear @hiddensuffering

This post is one of the saddest I have read on Mumsnet. It’s horrific and I feel desperately sad for you and your mum.
Regardless of how you both got here, it’s the current situation and the future that you need to concentrate on now.
Your mum is in a similar position to a wife who is being controlled and is under constant threat of violence from her husband.
I would be wary of comments where people are saying to chuck him out just in case he hurts your mum in the short term.
I would get advice from woman’s aid; social service helpline and possibly even the police and any other charities mentioned on this thread. I would also involve your dad and ensure he’s aware of everything. If your brother doesn’t end up seriously hurting your mum, he could end up hurting a future partner. He’s already shown he has no respect for pregnancy. He needs to feel some repercussions for his total disrespect for women and if he’s mentally ill in some way be forced to receive treatment.
He could end up murdering a woman one day.
This is so sad.

cranberryshortcake · 31/03/2025 21:33

Call the police.

Scutterbug · 31/03/2025 21:35

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Victim blaming? Abusers grind their victims down, they belittle them and scare them.

hotpotlover · 31/03/2025 21:37

It's not as uncommon as people think it is.

My brother, who will turn 40 in December, still lives with my mother.

He's very abusive towards her. In the past he has hit her and even once strangled her.

That has stopped as the police was called.

He now is "just" verbally abusive towards her.

He spat at her when there was no bread in the house. She also has to cook for him every time he demands it.

He has a good job so would be able to live independently.

My mother refuses to kick him out, too.

Whenever I suggest it, she gets angry at me.

So I'm not getting involved anymore. Luckily I live far away and my own children aren't allowed to visit my mother anymore as I don't want them to be exposed to domestic abuse.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:39

I’ve shown her some of these comments. Her reply “please stop posting private stuff”

I actually can’t 😢

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alcoholnightmare · 31/03/2025 21:39

Your poor mum. You also need to recognise though too sadly that your mum didn’t protect you… moving to a hostel at 14 because of your little brother is dreadful.
that aside, and I hate my mum - totally no contact, I’d sit on her couch and say continuously “no” to his antics. Record him, call the police. He needs help, as does your mum.

Renamed · 31/03/2025 21:42

OP, I believe you. Please consider that your mum needs help and you are right to try and help her, but you also have a duty to yourself to stay safe. Stay away from this man and make sure he never gets anywhere near your child. That means your child can never be in your mum’s house. It’s terrible but it’s necessary. And if necessary you should consider moving away.

Lovageandgeraniums · 31/03/2025 21:47

I think the narrative that a mother's love is unconditional, or should be, is embedded in our culture, mainly because society needs us to believe that. It's very handy for men and children and keeps mothers everywhere striving to prove it to avoid social shame.

The message is so strong that the first thing an abused mother must say is 'of course, I love him/ her' or she may well be attacked or accused of being a monster herself.

I think that is toxic bulshit and a dangerous message when a strapping son is being a tyrant. It's dysfunctional to love someone who has been abusing you for years, so or not.

One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned here is the father's genetic makeup. Temprement is passed on genetically and an abusive father is more likely to have an abusive son - environment and genetics combined as the father terrorises the family via the mother.

I don't understand why we don't just come clean and admit that there is badness in human nature that can be passed on and this is most dangerous in boys and men.

If one in every 20 people have narcissistic personality disorder, and one in 20 a psychopath (both also thought to be at least partly genetic)

But I guess it's easier to point the finger at the single, abused mother, who may have abused by her father growing up.

Christmasbear1 · 31/03/2025 21:47

I would just take her home with me and not let her go back.

MotherOfRatios · 31/03/2025 21:48

This is a growing issue and takes up a large amount of my time at work ( I work on tackling VAWG)

OP respect might be a good contact for you to speak to they run a programme for this behaviour. But you also need to report it to the police before he does kill her.

https://www.respect.org.uk/pages/44-work-with-young-people-s-violence-and-abuse#:~:text=Our%20primary%20focus%20is%20Child,work%20around%20Teenage%20Relationship%20Abuse.

Our work with young people | Respect

Responding effectively to young people's use of violence

https://www.respect.org.uk/pages/44-work-with-young-people-s-violence-and-abuse#:~:text=Our%20primary%20focus%20is%20Child,work%20around%20Teenage%20Relationship%20Abuse.I

Concernedcheeselover · 31/03/2025 21:49

myusernamewastakenbyme · 31/03/2025 20:13

Wtf she is literally his slave...I would rather be dead than live like that.

This.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 31/03/2025 21:50

How did an 18 year old get that bad?

I'd have the police on speed dial. Your mother is never going to stand up to him if she has tolerated this crap to date.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:53

For those that think it’s not true. And this is tame😢

My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son
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MounjaroOnMyMind · 31/03/2025 21:55

I don't think you should encourage your mum to move in with you. She has never had your best interests at heart and has never had the courage to stand up to her son. The amount of placating she's doing is really sickening.

I think what you should actually do is tell her once and for all that you are there for her when she wants to take action but in the meantime you're not going to visit her and you don't want to discuss him. Tell her if she wants help getting new bank cards which you could monitor (eg allow only a set amount in per day) then you'd be happy to do that, but that the way she's behaving is enabling his terrible behaviour and you want no part of it.

riverislandjeans · 31/03/2025 21:56

You need to gather as much evidence as you can like those text messages then call the police and have him done for harassment and coercive control.
I feel sorry for your mum as I know she probably wants to protect her son but this is absolutely absurd.

ThreeLocusts · 31/03/2025 21:59

OP I'm so sorry, this is heartbreaking. I can empathise somewhat as my mum, after being abused by my father when I was little, moved in with another abusive man in retirement and spent years trivializing, obfuscating, negating his behaviour.

You are doing well if you manage to be patient and understanding with your mum. It must be so maddening.

Within the limits of your abilities, do everything recommended here: police, social services, women's aid, neurodivergence assessment for brother. If it's a choice between staying in her good books and getting her son away from her, do the latter.

I hope you can keep yourself and her safe, and that one of the agencies responds helpfully. Wish you strength.

myusernamewastakenbyme · 31/03/2025 21:59

This 'big man' needs a dose of his own medicine....any big burly men in the family who would take this knob down a peg or 2...I do not usually think violence is the answer but in this case id make an exception.

Nosleepforthismum · 31/03/2025 22:02

Have you ever stood up to him OP? Not advising you should, he sounds extremely dangerous but just wondering how he reacts to you if you shout back at him.

FairlyTired · 31/03/2025 22:02

If she actually wants to help him she needs to report it and try and get him into a DV programme or similar. Otherwise he will likely end up in prison for either seriously injuring or killing her, or a future partner.

keswickgirl · 31/03/2025 22:03

myusernamewastakenbyme · 31/03/2025 21:59

This 'big man' needs a dose of his own medicine....any big burly men in the family who would take this knob down a peg or 2...I do not usually think violence is the answer but in this case id make an exception.

I actually agree with this. I’m guessing not or the OP might have already called on them for help.

OP, I would gather as much evidence as possible and take it down to the Police Station. Take your mum’s phone if you can. He’s 18 now, and he is coercively controlling her. It’s a crime.

wrongthinker · 31/03/2025 22:04

MounjaroOnMyMind · 31/03/2025 21:55

I don't think you should encourage your mum to move in with you. She has never had your best interests at heart and has never had the courage to stand up to her son. The amount of placating she's doing is really sickening.

I think what you should actually do is tell her once and for all that you are there for her when she wants to take action but in the meantime you're not going to visit her and you don't want to discuss him. Tell her if she wants help getting new bank cards which you could monitor (eg allow only a set amount in per day) then you'd be happy to do that, but that the way she's behaving is enabling his terrible behaviour and you want no part of it.

I think this is good advice. But I would also call the police and make a report. Tell her you're going to do that. Tell her you will be there when she is ready to get help. And then step away.

WiddlinDiddlin · 31/03/2025 22:04

I would try to encourage her to come and stay at yours, whilst he is out.

Then when he returns and she's not there, he starts sending abusive messages/trashing the place, show those messages to the police, send them round for a welfare check, chances are he will talk his own arse into a cell for at least the night.

That could be a stepping stone to getting rid of him - but again, only if she actually wants that.

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