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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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Wishyouwerehere50 · 02/04/2025 16:00

WhereIsMyJumper · 02/04/2025 15:56

Whether or not the son has autism and/or ADHD is about as relevant to his behaviour as his eye colour or if he has his thumb missing on his left hand. I don’t even understand the point of raising it. His behaviour is inexcusable

It's relevant.

Piergirl · 02/04/2025 16:18

This is an adult safeguarding issue. You can contact your local adult social services for help - most have a " front door" phone number that takes details and passes you on to the right person. It's likely that there would be a case conference to look at help for both your mum and your brother. I'm not clear what your role is here but you might need to be involved too.

Roxy69 · 02/04/2025 16:23

I have a friend who had an abusive husband and now a son who isn't as bad as this, not physical anyway; but is a conspiracy theorist. Plus other dietary 'issues' and won't have plastic in the house etc etc. They live together and she won't leave him. There really isn't anything you can do except be kind to your mum and support her. In the end she is facilitating this and knows it but won't change, just like my friend. It's very hard to watch.

JHound · 02/04/2025 16:25

Jennifer89 · 02/04/2025 15:39

And boy mum's keep talking about boys being easier to raise..

People who say this don’t actually raise their boys.

Which is why they find it easier. Everybody I have heard say this let’s their sons run wild while policing their daughters.

SlightlyJaded · 02/04/2025 17:13

OP - I know it's a lot to take in, but I have to ask...

People on here (including me) are telling you that there is a real danger your brother could do your mother serious physical harm. He could even kill her. Do you believe that? Are you taking it seriously? Or does it all sound a 'bit dramatic'?

Because you need to take it seriously.

Not ALL sons who kill their parents start off behaving as your brother is, but the two behaviours are VERY closely linked and someone needs to step in. Please PLEASE involve others now. Your father/Social Services/Police/Male family members - you both need help.

hiddensuffering · 02/04/2025 17:42

SlightlyJaded · 02/04/2025 17:13

OP - I know it's a lot to take in, but I have to ask...

People on here (including me) are telling you that there is a real danger your brother could do your mother serious physical harm. He could even kill her. Do you believe that? Are you taking it seriously? Or does it all sound a 'bit dramatic'?

Because you need to take it seriously.

Not ALL sons who kill their parents start off behaving as your brother is, but the two behaviours are VERY closely linked and someone needs to step in. Please PLEASE involve others now. Your father/Social Services/Police/Male family members - you both need help.

Yes I believe that. I’ve been telling her for years.

Even from the age of 10, I noticed red flags and patterns and was telling my mum she needed to discipline him otherwise he would get worse. He was violent back then. I read parenting books, tried to improve his behaviour even though that wasn’t my job. Of course she told me I wasn’t the parent and she’d make the decisions. So he wasn’t disciplined and sure enough things got worse and worse.

Through the years I’ve always asked her why isn’t she doing anything, why is she accepting his behaviour and abuse. She’d get cross and tell me to stop interfering. She’d get angry when my dad tried to intervene. She’d lie to services that everything was fine. Back then there was still time to change things but she never took that action.

The abuse escalated towards me too. My mental health was suffering, I considered taking my own life. It was horrific witnessing and being abused myself by him and seeing my mum gaslight, scold and silence me, telling me I was dramatic and ridiculous. It was a living hell.

Getting away from that house was the best thing ever. I’ve pleaded with my mum so many times. She chooses to infantilise him and keep the abuse hidden. She’s told me to lie to the family, not tell anyone. Whenever I called the police she’d be fuming with me. It’s been horrendous.

If 10 year old me could see those warning signs from when he was 5/6 (and of course he wasn’t a danger back then, just a rude, aggressive and disrespectful undisciplined child) then she did too but she ignored them. And because of that she’s essentially raised and allowed him to be this way.

I’m doing all that I can but she’s never protected me from it and that’s why I had to get out. I know she’s a victim, but knowing she’s enabled this since he was a child despite me, the school, and services trying to raise that there were issues leaves me with a lot of hurt and anger.

I’m contacting the police and charities and I’ve sent links and info to her. No doubt I’ll be the bad one. I’ve got to protect myself and my child.

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Wishyouwerehere50 · 02/04/2025 17:56

@hiddensuffering in the post where I said you're in a dysfunctional dynamic and it's dangerous for you - even your mum is - I meant it.

In these dynamics you have a golden child ( the abusive brother), you have a scapegoat and truth teller ( that's you). You will be punished by them both. Your mum operates between victim, enabler and id say a flying monkey. They're both dangerous for you.

Set boundaries that mean you don't interact with him, nor does your child. Mum comes to you, alone, if she wants a relationship with you both.

Your mum's vulnerable but she has choices here.

This dynamic is more common than people could imagine.

BippidyBoppety · 02/04/2025 18:11

Thank you for the updates, I'm so happy you've read through and made notes of the helpful ones. I hope posting has been good for you, has given you some clear perspective.

You say your Mum is adamant that your brother wouldn't hurt her. Have you tried suggesting that is because she is doing what he wants? Does she have any conception of what his actions might be if she said "No"? If she's frightened to say no to him, then she is afraid of what he'll do. If she's altering her life, by being available to him, by allowing him access to her money, she is afraid of what he'll do.

I can't help but think any actions you take will be rejected by your Mum unless, or until, she recognises the trouble she is in. Be prepared to be the bad guy in this; your Mum needs more than just you to point out this is a crap way to live.

deusexmacintosh · 02/04/2025 19:21

This guy will never change. He's beyond reformation and from personal experience with a friend who went through this too, he will only get worse. Unimaginable but true. The worst is yet to come.

He needs to be jailed, and your poor mum needs to be taken to a place of safety. He will escalate. He may even kill her one day, when something goes wrong in his life and he comes home to a meal that is 1 degree too hot and snaps.

The WiFi part of your post made me feel sick with recognition - this is not reasonable behaviour and no one does this to someone they love.

He's more than an 'abuser' - he's a sadistic, evil, twisted psychopath.

Children are meant to honour their parents (where the parents are deserving ones and not absuers, of course) and your mother sounds like a lovely woman who has had her self esteem eroded over years of abuse.

Your brother should be the one providing and caring for her as she ages, and breaking his OWN back to do so. Not treating her like a trafficking victim in her own home. Your mother is gold and he should be treating her like the precious person she is.

She needs to get out of there ASAP. There is a world full of people who would be honoured to know and have a mother like her, even if she cannot see her own worth right now. She deserves so much better than what she is enduring. Please send her my love, OP, and my best wishes that she will recognise this and allow you to help her escape. There are so many people who want to help her to have a better life, the one she deserves.

2JFDIYOLO · 02/04/2025 22:13

Have you called the police yet, OP?

eatingandeating24 · 03/04/2025 08:35

Totally, TOTALLY NOT acceptable. Call the police, the social services and any other organisation that can and will help. This could end up in tragedy now for the mother and for some other females -- in the future.!! 😭

CatMummyOf3 · 03/04/2025 08:56

This is horrifying to read, on so many levels. I don't have any advice that hasn't already been given by pps.

I do think installing cameras is good advice, if it can be done without your mother's knowledge. She would probably refuse if you asked.

I did it at my father's home as we suspected a carer of negligence. Was it legal? Maybe not, but I didn't care. It provided the evidence needed to get the carer removed. Totally different circumstances to your mother, but I think if you have irrefutable evidence it will support you if/when you contact the police or adult social services.

@hiddensuffering, I wish you the very best of luck in helping your mum to get out of this nightmare. It's not going to be easy and she may say she doesn't want or need your help, but as she is confiding in you (probably not to the full extent) I think she does deep down know she is in a dangerous place.

Nikki75 · 03/04/2025 09:36

battgirlatheart · 02/04/2025 11:10

But he is failing as a human. She’s enabling him to be an arse which is a fail

100 % correct she is allowing him to fail .

battgirlatheart · 03/04/2025 10:26

This is coercive control which is a criminal offence.
report that to the police
it can be any kind of relationship

rb124 · 03/04/2025 13:27

As others have said, first step is to find somewhere Mum can live temporarily, for her own safety then - and only then - do you call the Police and have this monster arrested. He could probably be charged with something just for what he did to you.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 03/04/2025 13:55

OP can't just call the Police.

These family dynamics are incredibly complicated. The mum will blame and somehow punish OP for calling the Police. The son will end up going straight back to mum who will have him back. He'll take it out on her. Then OP will feel overwhelming guilt.

Phone the Police - is not the answer.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 03/04/2025 14:00

Nikki75 · 03/04/2025 09:36

100 % correct she is allowing him to fail .

It's too late now. He's a scary terrifying adult with a disorder that will have been there from an early age and was only worsened by a parent who didn't know how to cope with what she was given.

Mum did not cause this. She's a part of a complex interplay of factors now. She's possibly too old to change - change means boundaries that go against every single biological imperative of a mother. Telling him he's not allowed to live in the home, setting strict rules for communicating with her, and not financially supporting him beyond a fixed amount she may feel comfortable with.

She'll never be able to do it. She's trauma bonded to the arsehole.

People who don't live in these dynamics don't understand it. The guy is a wrongun and always was.

Pandalott · 03/04/2025 14:01

She has phoned the police before it doesn't matter what she does, nothing will work unless her mum goes against him and from what I have read she is not prepared to do that. As hard as it is sometimes you just need to let people know you are there for them when they decide they want help. You could invite your mum to live with you. But I can't see her wanting to leave him. You could install a camera or film it to show her it back sometimes people don't realise the mess they are in while living in that moment. So watching it back might make her realise. Speak to womens aid and see if anyone from their would be able to speak to your mum. But as I said if she doesn't want help then there is nothing you can do

Wishyouwerehere50 · 03/04/2025 14:04

@Pandalott yes. This in every way.

It has taken me 15 years of counselling with a wonderful person to actually SEE I have incredibly abusive family members regularly emotionally abusing and coercive towards me my entire life.

This stuff is insidious and hideous. Mum isn't leaving even if he tries kill her. She can't for her own reasons.

SlightlyJaded · 03/04/2025 15:57

Cameras is an excellent idea

It's takes the responsibility away from your mother

Any police on here, correct me if I am wrong, but with this clear video evidence of repeated abusive control, they won't need your mum to consent to him being prosecuted.

Some years ago, I was in an abusive relationship. I knew I was. I hated that I was. I used to wish he would die because I just could not give myself permission to leave or go to the police. I was too worn down, too mentally broken, too fearful of anything and everything - even change. I used to fantasise about a neighbour or a random person doing an intervention on my behalf. Calling the police, taking him away, telling him what a pathetic bully he was, reducing him to the kind of fearful mess that I was - all the things I couldn't do myself. My biggest daydream was simply to have the police turn up on our doorstep and take him away because 'someone' who could have been ANYONE but me, had stepped in.

With video evidence, you can go to the police and they will do the rest. Your mum does not need to consent.

As an aside - I understand that you have had to remove yourself. That you are a victim too and that you have dc to consider. I also completely empathise with your anger towards your mum for letting this happen to you as well as her. But she is now beyond ever doing anything herself. He has destroyed her, so if you do want anything to change, it will have to be someone else that sets it in motion.

TwinklySquid · 03/04/2025 17:57

It’s a really sad situation but it sounds like your mum hasn’t really protected you . Yes, this is abuse but you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

I would not be letting my child near her as I don’t trust her judgement . Your brother sounds violate and I’d worry my kid would get caught up.

Id tell her you are there for her if she leaves but for your own mental and physical wellbeing, you can’t watch this unfold.

Bullyhater · 03/04/2025 19:06

If he is at college he prob has friends. Do you know his friends? Are they all the same as him? If he has any that are regular guys, which i doubt, could you speak to them, tell them you worry for your mums life, ask for their help. They must have a parent that perhaps you could meet up with to chat with and discuss your worries. Your mum is never going to change unless someone steps in.

Coolasfeck · 03/04/2025 19:18

@hiddensuffering - I’m so sorry your mum and you are going through this. However, I’m glad you started the thread because my own DM is living with my abusive ‘D’B who is now in his forties…

She won’t seek help because she doesn’t want him to get into trouble. Her life has been ruined. I will read through the thread to see if there are any suggested solutions.

All the best.

wandawaves · 04/04/2025 04:28

Sorry I haven't read PP replies so I don't know what's been suggested, but what got my mum thinking (a little bit), was after I constantly got fed that similar line of "oh but I can't kick them out, they'll have no where to go", was i actually researched all the options in terms of social housing, homelessness charities etc, and gave her the info, so that she knew actually they DID have somewhere to go. I actually had to contact them myself too to check eligibility, as she always had excuses like "oh they wouldn't be eligible/they're all full/they're too far away/excuses/excuses". She was actually surprised at what was available. I also started ringing the police if I happened to be there visiting when any abuse kicked off.

It didn't push her over the line to kick them out (I did that 😁) but it did stop a lot of her guilt when she was fed up with them, because she KNEW they had options.