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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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Scorcher79 · 04/04/2025 19:26

rosyvalentine · 31/03/2025 20:08

This is crazy. I think your mum needs to get some therapy/counselling to enable her to set some boundaries with your brother.

This. After the police are called....

Pandalott · 04/04/2025 23:10

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:53

For those that think it’s not true. And this is tame😢

I have had messages like this from my son before. My son used to be a lovely kind boy untill he got in with the wrong people and started smoking weed. Now he speaks to me like that. It's absolutely awful I have no choice but to live with him as he's only a young teenager I just hope he will see sense one day as I miss who he used to be so much

Coolasfeck · 05/04/2025 07:49

Pandalott · 04/04/2025 23:10

I have had messages like this from my son before. My son used to be a lovely kind boy untill he got in with the wrong people and started smoking weed. Now he speaks to me like that. It's absolutely awful I have no choice but to live with him as he's only a young teenager I just hope he will see sense one day as I miss who he used to be so much

My DB who also abuses my DM started smoking weed young too.

The authorities also really need to listen to parents who raise flags about their sons. Although my DM has chosen to keep it hidden as she doesn’t want DB to get into trouble, many many more parents do contact multiple agencies who barely act as they see it as a family dispute.

Nevertheless, many times these boys eventually take it out on the wider community. Look at Axel Rudukabana and Nicholas Prosper. These boys would have given their own parents and siblings hell before they murdered, and in both cases the families had previously sought help from the authorities and drawn blanks.

morbidd · 05/04/2025 08:11

Hey OP, your post really resonated with me and that’s because I too had a younger brother who terrorised my parents. He was never violent to my mum but would get into scuffs with my dad. One time she had to lock herself in the bathroom which caused him to try and bash the door in The Shining Style. I had to escape the house one night because he was going to go for me after an argument he provoked by being racist.

I will tell you how this ends if this doesn’t get sorted. He will kill. Mine didn’t kill my parents although I constantly worried he would. No he killed a random man and is going life, a minimum of 17 years.

My parents didn’t realise they were victims of abuse. Would just do whatever he wanted to keep the peace. They too wouldn’t throw him out and he stayed there until the age of 28 when he committed murder.

Now he’s in prison, they are different people. I guess what I’m trying to say is nothing is going to change until your mum takes action. I think tough love is required here. Tell your mum she can’t see her grandchild, tell her you don’t want to hear anything about your brother. She needs to see the consequences of him still being in her life. I know this is harsh but once she sees how it affects her outside of the home, she will do something.

Also, have you ever called the police on him? It so, what happened? I think they need a log of his behaviour because it very much sounds like it’s escalating.

if you ever want to talk please message me, I don’t know how you do this on here lol. I honestly feel for you and I was in this same position myself.

Pandalott · 05/04/2025 09:26

Coolasfeck · 05/04/2025 07:49

My DB who also abuses my DM started smoking weed young too.

The authorities also really need to listen to parents who raise flags about their sons. Although my DM has chosen to keep it hidden as she doesn’t want DB to get into trouble, many many more parents do contact multiple agencies who barely act as they see it as a family dispute.

Nevertheless, many times these boys eventually take it out on the wider community. Look at Axel Rudukabana and Nicholas Prosper. These boys would have given their own parents and siblings hell before they murdered, and in both cases the families had previously sought help from the authorities and drawn blanks.

Yes this is tell everyone how much he has changed since smoking weed. But he also needs to want the help. I got him into counselling he went twice and didn't want to go again. He has a drugs worker he sees once a week. His behaviour is way better than it was last year but I think that's mostly because he hardly speaks to me now. Anytime I do try to speak to him about anything he gets annoyed. He used to be so sporty was always out doing sport he gave it all up and sits in his friends house because that boys mum allows them all to smoke weed. I have brought this up to police and school and social work but not cares that the women allows them to do this

Concernedcheeselover · 06/04/2025 21:42

What the fuck, this is frightening abuse. Call the police on him. If not for your mum then for the future woman and / or child he might beat the s**t out of.

Toooldtocare25 · 07/04/2025 07:57

This is coercive control
please ring the police if she won’t

Pandalott · 07/04/2025 09:35

I hope the op is OK she hasn't replied in a while

ZestyJoey · 15/04/2025 09:40

TessTimoney · 02/04/2025 10:58

I feel for you having to witness your Mother enabling her DS abuse her. He will KILL HER if he isn't stopped! She has created a monster (aided by Andrew Tait). Pack up his belongings and put them outside, change the locks. Firstly contact the police, show them your MN message and ask for their support. Your Mum should also contact Women's Aid for advice.

Lol why does everyone bring Andrew Tate into these arguments? Misogyny has existed long before his rise to fame and I'm afraid it will probably continue long after his decline.

Crazyworldmum · 15/04/2025 13:51

ZestyJoey · 15/04/2025 09:40

Lol why does everyone bring Andrew Tate into these arguments? Misogyny has existed long before his rise to fame and I'm afraid it will probably continue long after his decline.

Because unfortunately he has a legion of followers and has increased male misogyny among teens ter and young man

SlightlyJaded · 15/04/2025 15:14

ZestyJoey · 15/04/2025 09:40

Lol why does everyone bring Andrew Tate into these arguments? Misogyny has existed long before his rise to fame and I'm afraid it will probably continue long after his decline.

There's nothing LOL about Andrew Tate. His influence is very real and very dangerous.

Serpentstooth · 15/04/2025 17:36

Why Andrew Tate? If you have to ask, you're part of the problem.

ZestyJoey · 15/04/2025 18:47

SlightlyJaded · 15/04/2025 15:14

There's nothing LOL about Andrew Tate. His influence is very real and very dangerous.

I know he has a lot of bad apples who idolize him, but these guys would still be incels or misogynists (or whatever the word is) even if Tate didn't exist. The western world in general has become divided and Andrew Tate isn't even relevant in the grand scheme of things.

crankycurmudgeon · 15/04/2025 19:06

How the actual f**k has this kid turned out like this? I just don't understand how kids end up like this... it's beyond all conception...

Mrssnips · 22/04/2025 09:40

ZestyJoey · 15/04/2025 18:47

I know he has a lot of bad apples who idolize him, but these guys would still be incels or misogynists (or whatever the word is) even if Tate didn't exist. The western world in general has become divided and Andrew Tate isn't even relevant in the grand scheme of things.

The problem is that his fame and the media attention he gets (in a similar vein to Steven Waxy-Lemmon) has amplified his influence. Yes, misogyny has been around for ever but its easily accessible now and the fact that he has not been banned from all social media channels legitimises his views.

rb124 · 22/04/2025 15:41

As already said, the issue with Tate and others like him is that Social Media gives them a platform to spout their vile rubbish quickly and easily to young males at a very impressionable period in their lives.
Trouble is, that even if you could get their accounts shut down (unlikely with the current US regime) someone else would quickly pop up to act as a conduit for him.

ASimpleLampoon · 22/04/2025 15:57

It's a long shot but if she has health issues that hinder her taking steps to keep safe then adult social services might be an idea. Can you contact them?

You could see if domestic abuse organisations can support you. They do support family members and it means there's a record if in future she wants to take steps.

toomuchfaff · 22/04/2025 16:01

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 20:11

OP, if this genuine apologies. I'll reply as if it is.

He has some undiagnosed condition that's clear. Has he ever been assessed for Autism or ADHD. I'm not saying this equals abusive behaviour.

Behaviour that's personality disordered seems to be linked in some cases. So a sociopathic state for example. Where there is zero capacity to care or empathise.

Your mum enables this yet I understand she will know he's different in some way so is over compensating.

All she can do is kick him out and advise him how to access supported housing. She can write a letter to the Council confirming this.

But she won't ever do this really will she.

He isn't going to change at all if my above suspicions are right.

You can only advise her ref kicking him out and changing the locks.

He has some undiagnosed condition that's clear. Has he ever been assessed for Autism or ADHD.

Seriously? Why does everyone have to be undiagnosed? He's not an Andrew Tate incel abusive dickhead, instead he's undiagnosed. 🙄

Christmaschildcare · 08/06/2025 20:31

I hope you and your mum are ok @hiddensuffering x

HevenlyMeS · 08/06/2025 21:30

Me Too So Hope & I'm Praying they're both ok too 💚🌼💚

Paperweight7 · 08/06/2025 23:46

OP, just wanted to send my support to you. You have gone through so much as well as your mum, and endured what sounds like a horrific situation. Well done for getting out, but also for being there for your mum, even though you have been ignored and made out to be the bad one. I hope things get better for you all xx

SlightlyJaded · 09/06/2025 11:50

Also thinking of you. This thread has really stayed with me. I hope your mum has found peace away from this bully by now.

SpoonyCat · 09/06/2025 14:21

Same as people above. I hope things have improved

HevenlyMeS · 10/06/2025 21:44

Yes Me Too
I'm hoping & praying their circumstances have immensely improved too💚🕯️💚

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