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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:05

Nosleepforthismum · 31/03/2025 22:02

Have you ever stood up to him OP? Not advising you should, he sounds extremely dangerous but just wondering how he reacts to you if you shout back at him.

Last time I did was when I still lived there. I’d have to barricade myself in my room and he kicked holes in the door. He’d shout, threaten and throw things at me.

Never ever again. Luckily I got out despite being gaslit to think I was being dramatic about the whole abuse dynamic

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Divastrout · 31/03/2025 22:06

WiddlinDiddlin · 31/03/2025 22:04

I would try to encourage her to come and stay at yours, whilst he is out.

Then when he returns and she's not there, he starts sending abusive messages/trashing the place, show those messages to the police, send them round for a welfare check, chances are he will talk his own arse into a cell for at least the night.

That could be a stepping stone to getting rid of him - but again, only if she actually wants that.

This is good advice

Poppyseeds79 · 31/03/2025 22:06

Does he have any mates OP? Do they go round your mums house? I'm curious if he does this in front of his peers too? Or does he hide it?

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:06

WiddlinDiddlin · 31/03/2025 22:04

I would try to encourage her to come and stay at yours, whilst he is out.

Then when he returns and she's not there, he starts sending abusive messages/trashing the place, show those messages to the police, send them round for a welfare check, chances are he will talk his own arse into a cell for at least the night.

That could be a stepping stone to getting rid of him - but again, only if she actually wants that.

He’s only abusive to the women. He’s one of those

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:07

Poppyseeds79 · 31/03/2025 22:06

Does he have any mates OP? Do they go round your mums house? I'm curious if he does this in front of his peers too? Or does he hide it?

He has no mates. Only online friends and a long distance girlfriend he’s never met. But he used my mum’s bank card to buy her £60 worth of gifts for Valentines Day. I actually feel sick for this poor girl that she’s ‘with’ him

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Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 22:09

Are those messages to you OP? Does your mum know he sends you that stuff?

NotAScoobyDoo2 · 31/03/2025 22:09

I'm so sorry to already this thread - it's awful.

I feel though that the decision to get rid of him has to come from her and she needs to make the plan. Victims are at the most risk when they try to leave an abusive relationship. By calling the police, you might be putting her at more risk snd making the abuse worse. Put it to her that when she's ready, you'll be there to support her - whilst bearing in mind that you also have to consider you and your child's safety.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:09

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 22:09

Are those messages to you OP? Does your mum know he sends you that stuff?

They’re to her. I managed to take a picture of her phone

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Ozmel61 · 31/03/2025 22:10

Does your Mum have any close friends or colleagues you could confide in ? Any close family ,just someone else who you could get support from to try and persuade her to Chuck this vile creature out of her house?

Pinacollider · 31/03/2025 22:11

OP I totally believe you as we went through something similar with my mum and brother.

In the end myself and another family member staged an intervention and went round to kick him out with the aim of calling the police if he didn't comply. Well it went a bit pear shaped and resulted in a suicide attempt. And then further threats of 'do that again and I'll kill myself'. I won't go into how it all ended as it's outing and different to your situation.

But I'd suggest phoning some domestic violence helpline numbers. This is domestic abuse and he can be charged with domestic abuse even though it's a parent. Call the police any time he threatens suicide and if that's the choice he makes then that's his choice. 🤷‍♀️

CroissantOfFur · 31/03/2025 22:11

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:06

Unfortunately it very much is a reality for my mum. She was abused by my father so I think has just fallen into the same pattern of being a helpless victim. She has health issues which make it harder for her to find the courage to do what she knows is right

But why does she believe she will have To support him the rest of his/her life?he is at college, so quite capable of earning money when he has finished?

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:11

Ozmel61 · 31/03/2025 22:10

Does your Mum have any close friends or colleagues you could confide in ? Any close family ,just someone else who you could get support from to try and persuade her to Chuck this vile creature out of her house?

Not really as she’s so isolated now. I tried before and she was so angry with me for interfering and told me to never do anything like that again

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JJWT · 31/03/2025 22:11

This cannot be real. How the hell is anyone being allowed to behave like this?

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:12

CroissantOfFur · 31/03/2025 22:11

But why does she believe she will have To support him the rest of his/her life?he is at college, so quite capable of earning money when he has finished?

He refuses to get a job and refuses to ever move out

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Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 22:12

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:09

They’re to her. I managed to take a picture of her phone

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This is insane OP. I'd want to protect myself at all costs. He's really scary. Your mum even willing to talk to a DV service? Because they're the only ones who will understand and advise her.

I'd find a way for my son to be physically removed from my home after that. No way on this earth. I don't understand it.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:13

Pinacollider · 31/03/2025 22:11

OP I totally believe you as we went through something similar with my mum and brother.

In the end myself and another family member staged an intervention and went round to kick him out with the aim of calling the police if he didn't comply. Well it went a bit pear shaped and resulted in a suicide attempt. And then further threats of 'do that again and I'll kill myself'. I won't go into how it all ended as it's outing and different to your situation.

But I'd suggest phoning some domestic violence helpline numbers. This is domestic abuse and he can be charged with domestic abuse even though it's a parent. Call the police any time he threatens suicide and if that's the choice he makes then that's his choice. 🤷‍♀️

I wish he would. It would be the only way my mum would ever be fully free

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CroissantOfFur · 31/03/2025 22:14

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:12

He refuses to get a job and refuses to ever move out

He will have to get a job if your mother cuts off funding him for anything. If she does that he will get a job sharpish I'm sure!

MotherOfRatios · 31/03/2025 22:15

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:13

I wish he would. It would be the only way my mum would ever be fully free

OP this is becoming a bigger issue is something that I work on and I really do hope you reach out to respect they have a specialist program because this is becoming a bigger issue between parents and young men

www.respect.org.uk/pages/44-work-with-young-people-s-violence-and-abuse#:~:text=Our%20primary%20focus%20is%20Child,work%20around%20Teenage%20Relationship%20Abuse.

Ozmel61 · 31/03/2025 22:17

I have just shown this thread to my husband and he has reminded me about a friend of his mwhose partner had an abusive son . Guess what…he murdered his Mother .
It happened in Crowborough a few years ago .
I have only mentioned this to emphasise how at risk your Mum could be . Please tell her about this if you think it might help persuade her .X

ToWhitToWhoo · 31/03/2025 22:17

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

If she carries on accepting this behaviour as normal, he'll do it to someone else, and likely end up in prison, which is a pretty big fail!

And she may well be shortening her own life, especially as she has health problems to start with.

Pinacollider · 31/03/2025 22:18

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:13

I wish he would. It would be the only way my mum would ever be fully free

I felt exactly the same to be honest!

My mum's situation only ended as she passed away from cancer. I hate that he caused her so much stress in her final years, although we didn't know it at the time. It was very sudden.

I'm pretty sure my brother has PDA

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:18

This is her response to me sharing the links with her.

I will and if he doesn’t improve his b behaviour I will defo do something about it. Please don’t worry xxx

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BippidyBoppety · 31/03/2025 22:19

I'm concerned that your Mum will shut you out of her confidences if you share more. You're shouldering a lot of responsibility in being that sounding board for her, which isn't fair, it really isn't. No parent should put their child - even an adult child - in this position. But you do need to keep your Mum talking.

If you have, or she has, police incident numbers keep a log, dates, incidents etc. You can go into a police station and chat with them, (check opening hours) although as the third party in this they will only give advice, not take action. Unless you can get your Mum to go with you - even if it's just to get some advice, face-to-face. Talk to professionals.

Ask your Mum if she'd share this with her GP, she needs professional support, counselling. Is your brother under the same GP? Of course they won't share information with you, but you could make them aware there are problems.
Is your Mum's work aware? If they are a large company they may have a good HR that could look into safeguarding actions - I'm probably grasping at straws here but they may have access to resources, again, counselling, .
Are her bank aware? Would Mum consider opening a different account and getting her salary paid into that? Talk to them about the debts being run up and the circumstances.

As well as the other links on this thread, if she's over 55 Age Concern have advice lines - https://www.ageuk.org.uk/services/age-uk-advice-line/

If she says no to all of the advice then I think there's only so much you can do - keep notes, dates etc, in case she does want to act in the future, but you need to keep yourself safe. If she can get talking to other people and get to see this isn't normal, it isn't acceptable, that's a good step. Otherwise. Be there for her, I guess. I'm really sorry.

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/services/age-uk-advice-line/

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 22:19

MotherOfRatios · 31/03/2025 22:15

OP this is becoming a bigger issue is something that I work on and I really do hope you reach out to respect they have a specialist program because this is becoming a bigger issue between parents and young men

www.respect.org.uk/pages/44-work-with-young-people-s-violence-and-abuse#:~:text=Our%20primary%20focus%20is%20Child,work%20around%20Teenage%20Relationship%20Abuse.

I didn't think the Respect programme dealt with this stuff. I wonder the extent to which they consider the fact many of these guys are scarily personality disordered - I'm talking sociopathic or psychopathic.

This guy, like many, sounds exactly that. There's no fixing this, only removing him from the mum and sister and keeping him at a distance. You can't fix this or rehabilitate or mediate through this. The guy is scary.

If this is a new thing Prevent are doing, that's a positive thing to hear.

Purplecatshopaholic · 31/03/2025 22:20

He’s an adult. She tells him to go, and phones the police if/when he won’t. Stage an intervention and make sure you are there with friends/witnesses if it would help. If she won’t stand up to him, there’s nothing anyone can do. Does she want to live like this forever? Because she will - he won’t leave unless she makes him.