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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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YipYapYop · 31/03/2025 20:35

Unfortunately it's actually a fairly common scenario - mothers being abused by their adult sons in the home. It's one of the most common kinds of domestic abuse and often quite high risk which is why I'm suggesting to talk to the experts for help.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 31/03/2025 20:35

Can she come and live with you?

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 20:36

TY78910 · 31/03/2025 20:25

OP said that the father was also abusive - this is learnt behaviour. Not everything needs to be a neurodiversity.

Victims of DV in childhood (direct or indirect) have a higher chance of conducting themselves in a similar manner.

OP - have you tried contacting social services to alert them to a vulnerable adult?

I understand it is not easy or even possible. My tone is critical because it's so frustrating. But I understand mum is a victim. It took me 15 years of therapy to totally separate from an abusive disordered sibling. I get it

Yes you're right ref being ND. This guy is not typical. He may have a personality disorder such as sociopathy or NPD and no other issues. The school refusal problems are a huge flag. There will be loads more.

It doesn't help much here other than possibly letting OP know that this guy is not fixable or changeable. Only put at a safe distance. Which the mum is going to find impossible almost I feel.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 20:38

YipYapYop · 31/03/2025 20:35

Unfortunately it's actually a fairly common scenario - mothers being abused by their adult sons in the home. It's one of the most common kinds of domestic abuse and often quite high risk which is why I'm suggesting to talk to the experts for help.

There's so little help for these parents. Mums are blamed for everything. No one can believe this can't be fixed with a bit of discipline. It often can't.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:38

VivaVivaa · 31/03/2025 20:30

Absolutely terrifying that anyone could think being a policeman would be a good profession for this man. More abusive, women hating scum bags is the last thing the police force needs.

OP I think you need to get in touch with social services as she is so vulnerable. I sadly don’t think they will do much, but you need to slowly yet surely build up a picture of how abusive and awful your brother is and the level of danger she is in. I also think you should speak to the police, again more to keep putting your concerns on record. Then, if/when it all comes to a head, there is reams of evidence of how awful he is. Nothing will be done until your mum wants it to though, you need to keep supporting her until she sees the light.

Is your dad his dad as well? I assume he isn’t around anymore?

Yes we both have the same dad. He’s around but doesn’t know the extent of what’s going on. He tried to help originally but then had nothing to do with my brother as a teenager because of his ways, and all my mum could focus on was how unfair it was that he wasn’t receiving birthday/xmas presents! Up until last year she was still pressuring me to write out cards for him and said I wasn’t very nice when I said I want nothing to do with him.

The only thing she looks forward to is seeing her grandson. I hope that’ll be her strength to maybe getting out one day.

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YipYapYop · 31/03/2025 20:39

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 20:16

I'd tell adult social services tbh. I'd also call the Police for advice.

You can't do anything here. She can't break the biological drive to protect him no matter how much he abuses her.

He's clearly not your typical functioning male here. He'll never access an assessment in this current environment so it's futile anyway hoping there will be support for him directly. He does sound personality disordered and there's no working with that. It all rests in your mum telling him he's not welcome anymore. But she won't. Nothing will improve.

It's not just about mum telling him he's not welcome. He sounds extremely intimidating so trying to kick him out could be risky without the proper support and safety planning.

Shoemadlady · 31/03/2025 20:39

it’s irrelevant whether your mum wants to contact the police or not. This is coercive and abusive and the police will have to act and can charge with or without your mums agreement.
you need to do what’s right now and call the police and detail everything. If you love your mum you absolutely need to step in here and protect her.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:40

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 31/03/2025 20:35

Can she come and live with you?

She would be more than welcome but she wouldn’t. I only live five mins away from her anyway so try my best to be there as much as I can

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Ihavepandassurvivalinstinct · 31/03/2025 20:41

There is a case precedent form NE court. Son went to prison for few years for abuse against his parents. CPS used same abuse laws as for women in that situation for the first time, I doubt it was the last. Bishop Auckland guy. 3 or so years back.

Look into that. Report him.

YipYapYop · 31/03/2025 20:42

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 20:38

There's so little help for these parents. Mums are blamed for everything. No one can believe this can't be fixed with a bit of discipline. It often can't.

No legitimate professional working in domestic abuse services would respond this way. I've done DV work and worked closely with specialist DV services and it is well known that adult sons can be abusers.

DrFosterWentToGloucester23 · 31/03/2025 20:42

Next time he is violent towards your mum, call the police. They will arrest him. Your mum may well choose not to press charges but it gets him in the system and out of the way. Bail conditions may mean he is unable to come close to your mum’s house. Breaking the cycle of abuser/abused may make her see sense.

Also, make a referral to adult social services. Your mum is a vulnerable adult getting abused in her own home.

Finally, show this to your mum. Article from Guardian - Mothers Killed By Sons

More than 170 mothers killed by their sons in 15 years in UK, report reveals

Data analysing deaths of all 2,000 women killed by men since 2009 reveals hidden scourge of matricide

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/05/more-than-170-mothers-killed-by-sons-15-years-uk-report

AgnesX · 31/03/2025 20:43

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

Well, sad as it is it's her choice. Like an addict you're going to have to wait til she reaches rock bottom with him.

The only other way round it that I can see is to call the police if you catch him in the act of brutalising her.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:44

Shoemadlady · 31/03/2025 20:39

it’s irrelevant whether your mum wants to contact the police or not. This is coercive and abusive and the police will have to act and can charge with or without your mums agreement.
you need to do what’s right now and call the police and detail everything. If you love your mum you absolutely need to step in here and protect her.

Yes absolutely. I’ll do anything I can. Becoming a parent has taken most of my time and with her not willing to do anything about it, has sadly just become an accepted situation. But I love her and can’t lose her to this.

I tried for years and had severe mental health issues due to the abuse I was witnessing and experiencing myself from him. I ended up in a hostel to get away. I was always told to stop interfering, being a nosy cow etc. It feels like my mum is desperate to protect him, his reputation at all costs sadly

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Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 20:46

YipYapYop · 31/03/2025 20:42

No legitimate professional working in domestic abuse services would respond this way. I've done DV work and worked closely with specialist DV services and it is well known that adult sons can be abusers.

Ah I didn't know that. I'm glad there's awareness yet it's terrifying.

My thoughts were regarding more public services such as the Police and mental health services. I am on an American group where parents are often being horrifically abused but the kids are not quite 18 so they are in desperate situations.

ARichtGoodDram · 31/03/2025 20:48

Did your mum leave your Dad or did he leave her?

If she didn't have the strength to leave your father when he was abusive she's even less likely to find it to leave your father.

She's in an abusive relationship and every knows it takes an average of 7+ attempts to leave. I can only imagine that the extra fear, shame and feelings of responsibility when the abuser is your child is likely to make it even harder to leave.

Make sure you protect yourself @hiddensuffering - ultimately your mum is an adult. You can give her options and opportunities, but you cannot make her take them. Only she can decide to draw the line.

Poppyseeds79 · 31/03/2025 20:48

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

He's already failed. She needs to take the blinkers off and recognise it. She hasn't failed she's tried her best and it'll never be good enough for him.

He's rotten to the core and won't change whilst he's being reinforced that this is an acceptable way to live his life.

She needs to drop him off at college and then message him once the locks are changed and send him the phone number to ring the local homeless helpline. He thinks he's a big man swinging his weight about and he'll sharp learn he's not top dog when he hasn't got his mum to knock about anymore.

ARichtGoodDram · 31/03/2025 20:49

*less likely to leave your brother

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 20:52

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:44

Yes absolutely. I’ll do anything I can. Becoming a parent has taken most of my time and with her not willing to do anything about it, has sadly just become an accepted situation. But I love her and can’t lose her to this.

I tried for years and had severe mental health issues due to the abuse I was witnessing and experiencing myself from him. I ended up in a hostel to get away. I was always told to stop interfering, being a nosy cow etc. It feels like my mum is desperate to protect him, his reputation at all costs sadly

Is it your mum saying you're being a nosy cow etc when you get involved?

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:52

ARichtGoodDram · 31/03/2025 20:48

Did your mum leave your Dad or did he leave her?

If she didn't have the strength to leave your father when he was abusive she's even less likely to find it to leave your father.

She's in an abusive relationship and every knows it takes an average of 7+ attempts to leave. I can only imagine that the extra fear, shame and feelings of responsibility when the abuser is your child is likely to make it even harder to leave.

Make sure you protect yourself @hiddensuffering - ultimately your mum is an adult. You can give her options and opportunities, but you cannot make her take them. Only she can decide to draw the line.

She contacted solicitors and had him removed because he was refusing. I think the motivator was protecting her children. Now that she’s actually being abused by her child it’s not as easy for her because of the fact he’s her son. I can see how hard it is for her

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Poppyseeds79 · 31/03/2025 20:54

So your mum was okay with you moving into a hostel because your brother was abusing you OP? But not prepared for him to have to move into one?

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:54

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 20:52

Is it your mum saying you're being a nosy cow etc when you get involved?

Yes she gets angry with me and tells me to stop stressing her out. That she knows but he will be better next year etc. All the excuses.

But she also acknowledges the abuse and tells me she knows. That she wants rid of him, he’s vile and the abuse is constant.

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BleeBlahBlue · 31/03/2025 20:54

1 in 10 women murdered by men in the UK are mothers murdered by their sons.

This is a growing issue society wide and needs to be taken seriously. I'd be worried about what your mum isn't telling you.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:55

Poppyseeds79 · 31/03/2025 20:54

So your mum was okay with you moving into a hostel because your brother was abusing you OP? But not prepared for him to have to move into one?

Yes. She actually thought I was being ridiculous and dramatic because she didn’t believe he was actually dangerous. She’s always made excuses for him. Even when he was making threats to my baby and throwing objects at my bump etc.

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ZiggyZowie · 31/03/2025 20:58

Bloody hell,

Kick him out

I once got thrown across the room by my then 18 year old son.

He got moved out pronto. !!

Get a strong man to support your mother in getting rid .

VivaVivaa · 31/03/2025 20:58

Poppyseeds79 · 31/03/2025 20:54

So your mum was okay with you moving into a hostel because your brother was abusing you OP? But not prepared for him to have to move into one?

The brother is only 18 now. I’m guessing the OP is a fair amount older. Absolutely not excusing the behaviour but if mum is this blind to it now, imaging what she would have been like when he was still legally a child. Nobody can fathom kicking their what…14,15 year old son out?