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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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lifeonmars100 · 31/03/2025 21:00

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Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 21:00

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:54

Yes she gets angry with me and tells me to stop stressing her out. That she knows but he will be better next year etc. All the excuses.

But she also acknowledges the abuse and tells me she knows. That she wants rid of him, he’s vile and the abuse is constant.

It sounds like one of those awful dysfunctional family situations. Absolutely not blaming your mum but in these dynamics mothers can enable the sons at all costs and to the detriment of siblings.

I'm in one of these messed up families. My mum enables terribly and wouldn't protect me over an abusive male sibling. So you actually need to be careful of your mum here and the risk the two of them pose to YOU.

Your brother might be physical and demonstrative in his abuse but I'm feeling that your own mother has the potential to be manipulative, coercive, and a victim at the same time. She would probably turn on you over golden boy if she felt pushed. Please be incredibly careful and establish boundaries for yourself as the priority.

If your mum talks that way, I would not be getting too involved after I had laid out choices to her and helpful contacts. I'd offer support if she's willing to take those steps. If she doesn't - distance emotionally and save yourself.

TightPants · 31/03/2025 21:01

NewtonsCradle · 31/03/2025 20:22

Your mum needs to live separately from him asap but I imagine she would be more amenable to him leaving if he had a way to support himself. He sounds like he would benefit from being around some stable male role models. Given his size and gym membership could he get a job as a nightclub bouncer or apply to the police or army? (Obviously the military would give him somewhere to love).

Dear god. He’s the last type of person we need in the police - or any job where he has power over others.

Butchyrestingface · 31/03/2025 21:01

He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant,

Did you try to get him charged when he started on you, @hiddensuffering ?

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 21:02

ZiggyZowie · 31/03/2025 20:58

Bloody hell,

Kick him out

I once got thrown across the room by my then 18 year old son.

He got moved out pronto. !!

Get a strong man to support your mother in getting rid .

Do you still see him after that?

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Barney16 · 31/03/2025 21:02

I was going to ask why you hadn't rung the police but you have, so ring them again. Also ring social services. She needs help as soon as possible.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:04

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I’m glad you haven’t had to experience anything as horrific as this for you to think it’s so extreme it must not be true.

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lifeonmars100 · 31/03/2025 21:04

rosyvalentine · 31/03/2025 20:08

This is crazy. I think your mum needs to get some therapy/counselling to enable her to set some boundaries with your brother.

I think that if this is all true it has gone way beyond the setting boundaries stage. He is breaking quite a few laws (the violence and financial abuse ) and he is an adult so she does not have to support him in any way especially with money and material goods. He needs kicking out

TiredEyesToday · 31/03/2025 21:05

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

I say this with every sympathy for your mum, but perhaps a bit of tough love: He is failing. Massively. So that ship has sailed. And all she’s doing now is enabling him, if she doesn’t bite the bullet and report him to the police / kick him out. There are charities that help people who are being abused by their children. Have a google and see if you can get her to engage perhaps as a first step.

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:05

BleeBlahBlue · 31/03/2025 20:54

1 in 10 women murdered by men in the UK are mothers murdered by their sons.

This is a growing issue society wide and needs to be taken seriously. I'd be worried about what your mum isn't telling you.

That’s what terrifies me. I’m taking on board all this comments, plan to show her them when she’s away from the house and will make the relevant phone calls.

Thank you for the supportive comments

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Hwi · 31/03/2025 21:07

WTAF have I just read? Surely it is made up? Never heard of anything of the sort even in culturally misogynistic households - between mum and son? This is horrendous. You need to lock him up - the police wont' do anything if she does not give evidence and keeps hiding the abuse. You make the statement, tell them you have been repeatedly abused. You must do something, don't leave this madness as it is.

MsGoodenough · 31/03/2025 21:07

An alarming number of deaths from DV are mothers killed by sons, so I don't see why this is unbelievable. It should be, but it isn't. I don't have anything to add in terms of advice for OP, but sending strength.

wrongthinker · 31/03/2025 21:07

OP, I just want to say none of this is your fault. You were abused by your brother and by your mum.

All you can do is really is call the police and social services. If that makes your mum cut you off, that is her choice. You can let her know that you're there if she changes her mind and asks for help. But you can't go on absorbing any of the impact of this horrific violence and abuse, while your mum won't even admit anything is really that wrong.

ArabellaScott · 31/03/2025 21:08

Child-on-parent abuse is fairly common, as several pps have pointed out. Maybe posters could stop saying they don't believe OP, it's not helpful, and unfortunately this is a very believable situation.

OP, I'm really sorry, this must be enormously difficult for you. Some resources below that may be of use. Remember also that you are only able to do so much. It's very hard to watch someone go through an abusive relationship, and you may also benefit from support and perhaps counselling. Especially given the historical abuse. All the best.

https://www.respect.org.uk/pages/114-capva
https://swaca.com/child-on-parent-violence-and-abuse/
https://www.pegsupport.co.uk/
https://www.riseuk.org.uk/get-help/about-domestic-abuse/child-to-parent-abuse

CAPVA | Respect

Child and Adolescent to Parent Violence and Abuse

https://www.respect.org.uk/pages/114-capva

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:08

VivaVivaa · 31/03/2025 20:58

The brother is only 18 now. I’m guessing the OP is a fair amount older. Absolutely not excusing the behaviour but if mum is this blind to it now, imaging what she would have been like when he was still legally a child. Nobody can fathom kicking their what…14,15 year old son out?

I’m 23. He was 14/15 when I moved into the hostel

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Ughn0tryte · 31/03/2025 21:12

I think it's sad that many choose to blame her for not parenting him correctly.
Yes, she contributed to the issue but the other big factor is his father; who abused his wife. So it's learnt behaviour.
And if she had challenged her son's behaviour earlier, it would be unlikely that her DH would have allowed it. He would have played her off against her own son for a start.
If he played truant then the school would have fined her and if she'd been in a financially abusive relationship with her husband at the time, it would have worsened the issue.
All the services see it as a parenting issue but she's one of the parents and would have all the guilt of not being able to support him due to her husband at the time.
Time to be bold: step away from her son and admit defeat.

ZiggyZowie · 31/03/2025 21:14

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 21:02

Do you still see him after that?

He lives 120 miles away and is now 32 years old.

He now has a job and how own flat .He seems happy

When I do see him he is respectful to me now.
However, there will always be a tiny little bit of doubt in my mind as to whether I can really trust him.

thestudio · 31/03/2025 21:18

Op, I really feel for you.

It sounds like the leverage you have is access to you, and thus to her grandson.

Sometimes people need to be forced to protect themselves.

I know some people will take issue with this, but your mother has lost her agency through abuse, and sometimes you've got to do what you've got to do.

lifeonmars100 · 31/03/2025 21:21

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:04

I’m glad you haven’t had to experience anything as horrific as this for you to think it’s so extreme it must not be true.

i have seen something similar between one of my siblings and their teenage child. police were called after the third or fourth violent act and the thieving. They had to go and live in a hostel and my sibling had put in very strict boundaries such as only meeting up with them in a public place for a pre-determined length of time. This teenager broke their mother's nose while headbutting them down the stairs and this was what triggered a call to the police. They were also beating up and stealing from their younger sibling.

Bananalanacake · 31/03/2025 21:26

Sorry, the way he trashed the house because she was in hospital with sepsis is awful. Didn't he realise she could have died and he didn't even care. I was also about to ask where is his father in this but it's obvious where he learnt the abuse from. I also think you need to call the police next time he hurts her.

thewashingneverends · 31/03/2025 21:27

I had something very similar with my mum, except it was my DS, her grandson
I wrote a lengthy post on here at the time about how he was treating my mum and then last year she phoned me because he'd kicked off big style in her house, caused thousands in damage and I dialled 999
I was there in every police conversation, I didn't let her sugar coat it. Showed them the bank statements, the damage was visible. He was dealing drugs from her house. It was out of control.
My DS was charged and he wasn't allowed near my mum or her property whilst on bail.
The truth was she enabled him, from a very young age. We'd say no, she'd say yes and slowly but surely he ruled the roost. He had freedom and money in abundance there with no boundaries or consequences and a servant.
Best thing that happened was police getting involved and the bail conditions. He couldn't go near and they weren't kind to him and read him the riot act
I also, with my mums permission, confided in her friend the full truth of what my mum had enabled and how it has escalated and her friend talked sense into her
Adult social services were also involved but mum done those meetings on her own and they signed her off with NFA

Just keep supporting your mum, even though it's frustrating as anything and take any opportunity to get the police

Anonymouseposter · 31/03/2025 21:28

I would sit down and talk to your mother when he isn't around. She may be operating under the premis that mother love is unconditional and that if she sticks with him things will improve as he grows up more. Dealing with children who are young adults can be more complex than dealing with a partner as many mothers still feel responsible for them.
I would try to explain to her that by not setting boundaries she is not actually helping him at all and that she matters too.
She might be worried about contacting the authorities because she knows that it will permanently affect his career plans.
It might help your Mum to talk to a therapist to help her get out of this horrible situation. It does sound as if she is in danger from him.
You can only support your Mum-you can't do this for her. If he is aggressive while you are present I would call the police yourself-although your Mum might not appreciate it initially.

Mamabear487 · 31/03/2025 21:29

Call the bloody police and change the locks!!

edit to add if your mum won’t do it do it for her!

Cucy · 31/03/2025 21:29

You need to keep ringing the police.
It can be anonymous.

She is not going to kick her own child out and so another intervention needs to be put into place.

Unfortunately if she was in a DA situation then your DB is just copying the only thing he knows.

I would look into local men charities.
He is only 18 and very easily influenced still. He is not going to listen to a female and so contacting these charities may help because the men can speak to him on his level and become role models for him.