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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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Thefsm · 02/04/2025 00:24

I think if my
mym was dealing with this I’d pay some massive decker to beat my brother up and make it clear he is watching his every move.

Pippyls67 · 02/04/2025 00:31

Op, the thought of him ‘failing’ would induce feelings of such guilt in her that she’d prefer to put up with all of this. At least this way she feels like she’s the victim- not him ( of life) in a weird way - and that’s far less stressful in her mind. It’s like the thing parents feel when they say they wish they could be the one who was suffering instead of their child when they are in pain. It’s a hard wired primitive drive in mothers to some degree. You sacrifice yourself for your offspring. It’s all got totally, grotesquely and very sinisterly out of proportion here though. Poor mum. I think you’re very astute to blame Andrew Tate and on line misogyny. It’s huge apparently. This is an absolutely shit situation. Your brother is a total arsehole I agree, but I’m more interested in what mum feels she’s prepared to do right now.
I don’t feel she will be want to do anything much while she’s still intent on him finishing college. For her personally, jeopardising that by making a stand is too much of a price to pay. When his college course is complete is the time for you to help her make big interventions. How long until then ? Also is there a prospect of him moving on after college to perhaps another course away from home? If he could be tempted to do that it would be ideal!

HevenlyMeS · 02/04/2025 00:45

I'm So Sorry To Hear Of The Immensely Upsetting, Circumstances, Your Beloved Mum & Your Lovely Self Are Presently Enduring -
I'm Praying Your Dear Mum Seeks Some Guidance -
Such a Horrendously Awful Predicament & Circumstances To Be Suffering, At The Moment -
I'm Praying Life Gets Much Better, For You Both - & Your Brother Sees The Light, Takes Accountability, & Will Become, Extremely Sorry, For Causing Such Terrifying, Atrocious, Continuous Upsets, Trauma & Distressing Heartbreak, To Your Beloved Mum & Your Good Sweet Sincere Self
Praise God, Your Lovely Mum Has Genuine Sweet Soul, You, Her Divinest Daughter 🙏Sending Much Much Love, Light & Harmonious Healing For You Both ☘️🙏💜

Pippyls67 · 02/04/2025 01:24

I think this is way more common than people realise. It’s a direct consequence of the messed up on line world younger people especially, live in today. Also covid has played a big part as it’s set many people his age back a long way. Mums sop up the fall out of all this unfortunately. Mums put up with anything and everything. Why? Because mums always at the bottom line feel ‘guilty’ if they don’t. And that feeling is often worse than any verbal abuse. It’s hardwired in us.
For your mum this situation has been gradual and she’s become acclimated to it. She still looks at him and sees the precious Ds he once was. She still has feelings towards him that are exactly how you feel towards your own Ds. As his sister of course these feelings and memories are not shared by you. That’s completely understandable. His behaviour is entirely unacceptable I agree but you will need to be ever mindful of the fact she sees him through completely different eyes to you if you are to help her make any improvements. You will be at logger heads with her if you don’t I’m afraid and the situation will be completely intractable.

BlueFlowers5 · 02/04/2025 04:45

I would ring your local domestic violence services or Refuge for advice.

She's most probably so controlled by him that she can't believe in herself or her own right to control her own life.

Pinkdhalia · 02/04/2025 07:37

It’s possible he will put his hands on her and she will die from his anger. It’s the worse thing to let a human have that much control over another . She must record him to have verbal and actual evidence and she must call 999 when he’s having a rage so they can hear him

browneyes77 · 02/04/2025 09:25

Poppingmad123 · 01/04/2025 18:50

Would it be possible to put some discreet cameras in the home, perhaps without even letting your mum know? It may be illegal but it feels essential in this situation as basically her life is at risk. Why can she not see that? No one knows what really goes on behind closed doors so there is probably a lot more to it than what she actually tells you.

Living in constant fear is not living at all. She needs to wake up and take steps to protect herself. If she cannot think straight, with all that is happening, then just get out and go to a women’s refuge. Inform work what is happening and that some urgent leave is needed. Leave current phone behind so he cannot contact her and get new phone with new number.

This is what I was going to suggest.

Discreet cameras, where you have footage you can give to the police of what’s happening.

The police can choose to charge themselves with that kind of evidence, regardless of what your mother says to them.

Because the recordings are being made out of concern for someone’s immediate safety, then legally I don’t believe you need your mother’s permission to record. And if you have other evidence to go with it (like the text messages etc), that strengthens your reasoning for recording.

Many people have also done this where their parent is in a care home, to capture the abuse happening to them there.

Obviously, check deeper into the legalities for your own sake, but it may be another possible option if your mother won’t do anything to help herself.

Mrssnips · 02/04/2025 09:40

This is not OK. There's a lot to unpick here but at the very least this is a safeguarding issue. What he is doing is also financial abuse, coercive control, as well as physical abuse. All of which are illegal. Please report him to the police - you can do it on your mum's behalf and now he is an adult they don't need her to press charges. I would contact your local Domestic Violence team, and encourage her when he is out, to bag up his stuff, put it in the porch and have the locks changed. As has been mentioned here, she is not failing him by getting help for herself, she's actually failing him by not addressing it. And last but not least, this is only ever going to end one way. As someone who has worked with DV victims in the past, this is an escalating cycle of abuse that will end up with your mum in a casket, either by her own hand or his. Please don't let her end up with her name being red out in parliament by Jess Phillips on International Women's day.

TessTimoney · 02/04/2025 10:58

wrongthinker · 31/03/2025 20:11

Police. Get him out. Change the locks.

He'll end up killing her.

I feel for you having to witness your Mother enabling her DS abuse her. He will KILL HER if he isn't stopped! She has created a monster (aided by Andrew Tait). Pack up his belongings and put them outside, change the locks. Firstly contact the police, show them your MN message and ask for their support. Your Mum should also contact Women's Aid for advice.

battgirlatheart · 02/04/2025 11:10

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

But he is failing as a human. She’s enabling him to be an arse which is a fail

Serpentstooth · 02/04/2025 11:12

Speak to Women's Aid for advice, this is intolerable, your mother has been trained like a beaten dog. I am furious on her behalf but can't give you useful advice. Personally I wouldn't tolerate any of it but she's been slowly divorced from her Self, stolen by your brother. He's a sadistic criminal. Get help and be prepared for her to blame you not thank you. Disgusting.

Pippyls67 · 02/04/2025 11:19

Pinkdhalia · 02/04/2025 07:37

It’s possible he will put his hands on her and she will die from his anger. It’s the worse thing to let a human have that much control over another . She must record him to have verbal and actual evidence and she must call 999 when he’s having a rage so they can hear him

Great advice but she won’t I’m afraid. She loves him far far too much. She still sees the little boy he once was and feels at the deepest level that she must mend and protect him. I’ve seen this before.

BunnyLake · 02/04/2025 12:24

This is the first time I have ever said kick him out for a teenager on MN but he needs his sorry arse kicked to the moon. He is disgusting and the police should be involved. He’s not some little waif child thrown on to the cold, harsh streets, he’s a 6’4 dangerous thug.

Mumto42005 · 02/04/2025 12:25

Wishyouwerehere50 · 31/03/2025 20:11

OP, if this genuine apologies. I'll reply as if it is.

He has some undiagnosed condition that's clear. Has he ever been assessed for Autism or ADHD. I'm not saying this equals abusive behaviour.

Behaviour that's personality disordered seems to be linked in some cases. So a sociopathic state for example. Where there is zero capacity to care or empathise.

Your mum enables this yet I understand she will know he's different in some way so is over compensating.

All she can do is kick him out and advise him how to access supported housing. She can write a letter to the Council confirming this.

But she won't ever do this really will she.

He isn't going to change at all if my above suspicions are right.

You can only advise her ref kicking him out and changing the locks.

No, no, no @Wishyouwerehere50.
Please, please, do not go down the route of stating this abuser has some sort of undiagnosed condition such as ADHD or Autism.

I have ADHD, and my son has ADHD and Autism, and I know multiple people with these conditions with varying severities, and none of us would EVER treat another human being in such a vile and abusive way.

I feel personally that this is partly the result of perhaps growing up around domestic abuse, but also, the OP’s mum allowing it to escalate to this level. The domestic abuse cannot be fully to blame though, as OP is not the same!!

@hiddensuffering - it broke my heart reading all this and what your Mum is going through, and you too watching her be treated in this disgusting way.
I can only imagine how heartbreaking it must be for you seeing this all and feeling so helpless.

Can you share what is going on with someone you trust, and who your Mum trusts that could help your Mum see that this is not ok? A family member who your mum may listen to maybe? Or good family friend? Someone needs to talk some sense into your Mum and show her that this is not ok, and is not normal before it’s too late.

I would also suggest, as a PP said, contacting the police again now he is older, or a domestic violence charity for some support. Or confide in a professional that you trust, as they will be able to ensure this isn’t swept under the carpet.

As a Mum, I can understand that your Mum may feel stuck and not want to get her son in trouble, however, he will end up killing her, or someone else, if he is allowed to continue this behaviour.

I agree with someone else too - this also puts other women who may come into contact with him at massive risk.

I hope that you and your Mum can get this sorted, your Mum safe, and his ass given a reality check about his vile and abusive behaviour. Sending massive hugs at this horrible and difficult situation 💕

Wishyouwerehere50 · 02/04/2025 12:43

@Mumto42005 I have an autistic child. I know that being hideously abusive is not an autism thing. The co morbidity is significant I believe with other problems ( sociopathic tendencies, whatever else).

There are things about this post that do make me think ND. Not the cause of abuse no.

NT people can be psychopathic sociopathic abusers etc. I know one sadly - not ND.

Doesn't anyone else look at all these stories online where the son killed the mum. So many of them are autistic. I don't believe it's about being autistic! It's the increased risk of co morbid conditions genetically or environmentally that are the drivers of horrendous abuse and zero empathy. It's something that is important to talk about. The increased risk of problems is pretty huge , with boys in particular. I'd say Autistic boys are a group at great risk of this incel culture and I don't believe I'm the only one thinking it.

This needs to be talked about. Read my posts - I don't attribute abuse to being ND.

K90 · 02/04/2025 12:55

This is horrendous! You can call the police as your mother has health issues and is potentially a vulnerable adult . As someone else has said he could end up murdering her. It happens more than we think. You have got to try again with the police before this end in a terrible tragedy, my heart goes out to you and your mother.

CountessWindyBottom · 02/04/2025 13:18

This is horrifying. And there is a chance that he will end up murdering your mother as the behaviour will continue as well as escalating.

Your Mum is being hugely controlled and it sounds like she is in denial as to how bad it is. I think some family therapy (just you and her) and engaging domestic abuse organisations would be a good start and then she can begin to take compraneous notes cataloging the violence, control, coercion and mental abuse.

Your mother is in harms way and is risking her life by continuing. Please let us know what you decide to do.

snughugs · 02/04/2025 13:29

I don’t think it’s helpful to blame Andrew Tate, ADHD or autism.

My brother was beating my Mother in the 1990s I really hate to tell this story but here goes.. My Mum used to say “If you can’t take it out on your Mum who can you”. I was only early 20s but a person at work complained about her sons behaviour to me I naively told my Mothers words. That night she was killed by him, left her very much younger child without a Mother. I wasn’t to blame but I know a relative that knew this family also. These men are not autistic they’re damaged and enabled young men. Stop making excuses. My son has ADHD and never once lifted a finger to me. My Father was autistic and not violent. Don’t get these conditions confused with a personality disorder, they ENJOY hurting and humiliating people that isn’t an autistic trait. They are not having autistic meltdowns they would hate others to know.

Quite simply they’re abusers enabled by their Mothers. Who feels too embarrassed and helpless to seek help.

I don’t think these Mothers instil gentlemanly manners, looking after women and using strength in a positive way. My Mother didn’t for example if he changed his mind last minute to attend a family event, she let him. I wouldn’t allow that. If he had bullied another child she wouldn’t say “thats vile, go and apologise to them”. Nope nothing. I even remember my brother holding me down when I was 13 lifting up my top so his friend could squeeze my nipples. I told my Mum on her return home, she just wasn’t interested. You on a journey of enabling to get these horrors.

These Mother’s often have enmeshed relationships with their sons and think their son is the second coming and other women are lucky to have them, so don’t encourage them to be good husbands. It’s actually a very destructive relationship for them both. Ever noticed how enabling the Mothers are in abusive relationship?

2JFDIYOLO · 02/04/2025 14:06

One day your brother will kill your mother.

You can stop this happening.

Step away from what she says when you try to reason with her. This isn't a mother - daughter thing now.

Her mind has been damaged by years of victimhood.

We don't 'press charges' in the UK, that's American.

Coercive control is a criminal offence:

www.gov.uk/government/news/coercive-or-controlling-behaviour-now-a-crime

With your own autism and ADHD diagnosis it's highly likely he has the same condition. And is it possible your mother has, too? We know it's genetic.

She would then be doubly vulnerable.

He will kill her. Eventually. If nothing is done.

He is repeatedly committing this crime.

Please call the police this afternoon. And keep calling. Keep that vile text and any other evidence you can find to illustrate your report.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 02/04/2025 14:15

@snughugs show me who is blaming autism/ADHD or Andrew Tate.

We have what I will refer to as a worrying petri dish of issues that make certain people highly susceptible to certain outcomes.

If the siblings are ND -- is mum herself ND. Does that feed into her being really vulnerable and needing her own support. ( Significant inheritance rate. I read it's actually 90% inheritance this week).

These things above I accept if applicable aren't solving the immediate problems. They give context.

I would guess he wouldn't willingly embark on an assessment and the NHS aren't offering much. I personally would be contacting adult social services and expressing my thoughts regarding the above to them. These issues are relevant. Mum could be flagged as particularly vulnerable based on potentially being ND. That might help access something from somewhere to help.

OP will know if it rings true.

hiddensuffering · 02/04/2025 15:12

Just got my account back so slowly trawling through the comments. Thank you for all the links and info, it’s very helpful.

@Wishyouwerehere50shes most likely ND although she doesn’t believe in getting assessed.

Not sure about him. He’s definitely wired wrong. Refused all assessments/counselling/support offered to him as a teen and my mum just lied about the abuse, saying it wasn’t an issue.

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Jennifer89 · 02/04/2025 15:39

And boy mum's keep talking about boys being easier to raise..

Serpentstooth · 02/04/2025 15:50

It's unhelpful to attempt to diagnose the sociopathic oaf in these pages. Please take note, OP, every time this abusive behaviour goes unchecked, the more 'permitted' he feels it is. Its now his normality. If you want to help your mother, a serious intervention needs to take place, get professional advice as soon as possible.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 02/04/2025 15:53

Jennifer89 · 02/04/2025 15:39

And boy mum's keep talking about boys being easier to raise..

It depends on so many factors. Being a single mum to ND boys with particular traits ( not all ND kids in any way! ). But PDA is a subtype of autism and it is incredibly tough and a bit risky because you're dealing with so much that is not conducive to being parented and following authority. Black and white thinking and susceptibility to manipulation or fixed viewpoints ( like Tate) are huge risks in certain groups, particularly certain ND groups ( not all).

Parents raising girls in this scenario will have their own unique difficulty and struggles. ( Greater vulnerability to all sorts, particularly sexual interest from men/boys who will take advantage).

I keep bringing it back to this subject because it isn't just about being a boy. Specific factors are increasing the risk of problems dramatically imo. This is the population also now likely to be out of education because the system is in free fall. The risks of problems then again increase.

I agree this man sounds like he has a co morbid personality disorder so won't ever care or respond to typical traditional appeals to humanity, compassion or empathy. He doesn't possess it. Sociopathic is probably right.

Can't do anything about this state of being except tough and hard boundaries. Flagging to services the concern. Any way to get him out the house, excellent. But that's going to be incredibly difficult and he'll still abuse the mum anyway. She is an enabler at this stage but I no way blame her as causing this horrible outcome.

WhereIsMyJumper · 02/04/2025 15:56

Whether or not the son has autism and/or ADHD is about as relevant to his behaviour as his eye colour or if he has his thumb missing on his left hand. I don’t even understand the point of raising it. His behaviour is inexcusable