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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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Kitties4eva · 01/04/2025 19:48

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Guys, can you please stop getting off topic? Something seriously wrong is going on, and you people are just talking about, Netflix films and AI??? Can we please focus on THE FACT THAT A STUPID SEXIST BSTRD IS ABUSING AN ADULT WOMAN???

Namechange4this1only · 01/04/2025 19:48

Having gone through similar, it’s not as simple as calling the police. Having gone through this (see my earlier post), I had to actually get my brother out and it did effect my health. As PP have said said her DM will have to file a complaint and doesn’t want to. And then the police will let him go after they feel he has cooled down and promised not to do it again. The police were called in my brothers case because he was violent to another brother that needed somewhere to stay for a short time so stayed with DM. They can’t hold them!

Some people express disbelief and that is understandable, but this is real and it is insidious.
The reaction of posters, their shock and horror is natural but is not easy for OP to deal with this.
There is a lot of complex, psychological stuff going on. This is DMs son and OPs brother.

My mum, although now free still loves her son and doesn’t really get it. My sister had a go at her and told off for letting her son abuse her and she called me in tears and said “how dare she”. I had to explain to her diplomatically that he did. But she still loves him.

Will this ever happen to my mum again? No because I got her out. My previous post may not express how difficult it was and all of the emotional trauma it caused but I just kept going back in there because I knew it was killing my mum.

OP it may not be about getting him out of her house/life it maybe about getting her away from him. She will see that she can live a nice life but at the moment he is all she has.

This is a mental health issue (your brothers), as well as abuse. Complex, multiple issues. But please OP grit your teeth and deal with it. You can do this. I did!

Waterweight · 01/04/2025 19:50

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

At this point you have to treat it like you would a domestic abuse situation & leave him quietly & quickly - even if that means losing everything temporarily or long term

Can you take her in ? Can she change jobs (even without telling him) ? Will the police support her if she makes it clear she wants an escort to pick up her stuff ?

ClaraMumsnet · 01/04/2025 19:54

Please stop trollhunting, it is against our Talk Guidelines. It puts genuine posters off seeking support and gives trolls the attention they crave. If you have concerns, report them to us so we can investigate.

notanaipost · 01/04/2025 19:54

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I’m the OP. No it’s not an AI post at all. I’ve had to make another account as mine has been suspended, I suspect due to reports from people like you who are accusing me of being a fake! I’ve emailed Mumsnet and I’m sorting that out.

I actually feel offended that you and other posters are saying this is an AI post when it is NOT. This is real. My mum is being abused. It is not the plot of the film. If I was AI how could I attach photos of the abusive messages my mum receives? Seriously! Have you got no better things to do than try and pile on someone desperate for support?!

Kitties4eva · 01/04/2025 19:57

notanaipost · 01/04/2025 19:54

I’m the OP. No it’s not an AI post at all. I’ve had to make another account as mine has been suspended, I suspect due to reports from people like you who are accusing me of being a fake! I’ve emailed Mumsnet and I’m sorting that out.

I actually feel offended that you and other posters are saying this is an AI post when it is NOT. This is real. My mum is being abused. It is not the plot of the film. If I was AI how could I attach photos of the abusive messages my mum receives? Seriously! Have you got no better things to do than try and pile on someone desperate for support?!

I agree. How can you people not believe this??? It is a really sad situation, but YOU ARE NOT TAKING THIS PERSON’S POOR SITUATION SERIOUSLY!

notanaipost · 01/04/2025 19:57

Wishyouwerehere50 · 01/04/2025 19:38

I called it out immediately - then the follow on posts took me to complete backtrack because I couldn't believe AI can do that.

Instincts.....listen 🤦

I’m not AI. So your instincts were completely wrong. Please read through all my replies and you’ll realise this is not a scam but a very sad reality. (Had to post on new account as my other comment explains due to being suspended because of reporters like yourself)

Dinosaurhearmeroar · 01/04/2025 19:57

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Seriously? “Allow that?” Let’s not victim blame. She’s terrified and broken.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 01/04/2025 19:58

ClaraMumsnet · 01/04/2025 19:54

Please stop trollhunting, it is against our Talk Guidelines. It puts genuine posters off seeking support and gives trolls the attention they crave. If you have concerns, report them to us so we can investigate.

MN, apologies genuinely. There are so many I've come across here on MN , it absolutely isn't an attempt to troll hunt. It's difficult to discern.

You've clarified the required action needed if suspicious. 🙏

Wishyouwerehere50 · 01/04/2025 20:01

notanaipost · 01/04/2025 19:57

I’m not AI. So your instincts were completely wrong. Please read through all my replies and you’ll realise this is not a scam but a very sad reality. (Had to post on new account as my other comment explains due to being suspended because of reporters like yourself)

It's incredibly difficult to discern on here. I know that this situation is incredibly believable too unfortunately. The number of AI like posts is increasing on here. I'll dip out and go get more clued up on AI capabilities! 🤷‍♀️🙏

ClaraMumsnet · 01/04/2025 20:02

Wishyouwerehere50 · 01/04/2025 19:58

MN, apologies genuinely. There are so many I've come across here on MN , it absolutely isn't an attempt to troll hunt. It's difficult to discern.

You've clarified the required action needed if suspicious. 🙏

Thank you, but multiple posts accusing a poster of being AI is trollhunting.

It's also worth remembering that there may be posters who do use AI tools to write posts because they aren't confident in their abilities or don't have English as a first language.

We always look into reports, so please, report concerns rather than posting them on the thread.

FWIW, while we can never vouch for anyone, there's nothing about the OP that has given us a cause for concern.

Sorry to interrupt your thread, OP.

notanaipost · 01/04/2025 20:02

Wishyouwerehere50 · 01/04/2025 19:32

I called out the original post as it was too formulaic. Not because this isn't believable. The situation involving abuse is believable and it's happening in reality behind closed doors.

What I want to clarify is whether AI can follow on with posts answering our questions, clarifying points and including a screenshot of texts as in this case. AI capable of this?

Genuine question!

I can answer that because I’m the OP and I’m very much a real human being. Not sure why this troll pile on has happened. Not everything is AI/troll/whatever else you want to accuse

OneWildBiscuit · 01/04/2025 20:04

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

This is horrifying. I'm genuinely fearful for your mum's life, and for other females who may enter his sphere during his life. I can't begin to understand how you must be feeling.

Please keep showing your mum these responses, and sticking with her even if she pushes you away or reacts angrily to your support.

I definitely think this needs police intervention (I know you've tried). They should definitely be taking this far more seriously.

I'm so sorry you and your mum are going through this.

Kitties4eva · 01/04/2025 20:04

Dinosaurhearmeroar · 01/04/2025 19:57

Seriously? “Allow that?” Let’s not victim blame. She’s terrified and broken.

Yes please stop attacking her and HELP THE POOR PERSON!

Wishyouwerehere50 · 01/04/2025 20:05

notanaipost · 01/04/2025 20:02

I can answer that because I’m the OP and I’m very much a real human being. Not sure why this troll pile on has happened. Not everything is AI/troll/whatever else you want to accuse

I don't think any person cannot believe this scenario could not happen. The way it's written absolutely flagged my suspicion. You've taken the correct course of action. Others know what instead to do if suspicious now. It's not personal OP.

It's all clarified now for everyone going forward I'd say. No intentional harm at all by anyone, I strongly believe.

Cerealkiller9000 · 01/04/2025 20:06

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

coercion Is a crime.

please please ring the police and social services. She needs help

its an actual crime what is happening.

Kellymumto2 · 01/04/2025 20:08

You could also try asking her what advice she would give to you if this was you in the midst of an abusive relationship and she was on the outside looking in. She wouldn’t want this for you. She then needs to take her own advice.

Namechange4this1only · 01/04/2025 20:08

Hey @notanaipost, reaching out to you! I was
in such despair. There were time when I gave
up, but I kept going back in there. Take
your time. Think about realistic options. Calling the police is it going to solve this I’m afraid!

JSerb · 01/04/2025 20:10

I would leave with no forwarding address. No contact, just disappear. He needs a wake up call and that’s the only way. What an ungrateful tw@t.

Cerealkiller9000 · 01/04/2025 20:10

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:53

For those that think it’s not true. And this is tame😢

My heart just broke OP

this is truly terrifying. I would just badger the police. I would try and seek it under coercion.

Lieneke · 01/04/2025 20:13

And what exactly have you done as her daughter and sister???? Surely something?

Kitties4eva · 01/04/2025 20:13

Here is a link I found (might not solve the situation entirely, but I hope it helps x) https://www.pegsupport.co.uk/
It has info to let you know you are not alone and I’m pretty sure you can get help there too. Good luck xxx

Child to parent abuse | Parental Education Growth Support (PEGS)

PEGS has been set up to support both parents and professionals deal with the issues associated with child-to-parent abuse. Supporting parents and professionals with child to parent abuse. Learn More

https://www.pegsupport.co.uk

littlemisspigg · 01/04/2025 20:14

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

It's elderly abuse
You can whistle blow anonymously
That's the best you can do

Kitties4eva · 01/04/2025 20:14

Lieneke · 01/04/2025 20:13

And what exactly have you done as her daughter and sister???? Surely something?

OF COURSE SHE’S TRIED DOING STUFF!!! Please, I really dislike it when people are rude to others, si can you support her instead of insulting her and shaming her?

Lucelady · 01/04/2025 20:18

OP does your mum have siblings?
If so could they help? A brother perhaps?
My family would be arriving to talk to my DS (we had a bit of trouble at Christmas with our DS and it's been sorted by the extended family, funnily enough my DD who is 4 years younger called him out).
I come from a family of fierce women and no 18 year old man child would be ruling the roost.
From a practical point can your mum attend assertive classes or access some some support therapy so she has an impartial ear? She needs the infamous 'big girl pants'. I'm so sorry this is happening.