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To worry about America?

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BelloItalia · 27/03/2025 08:37

I used to love America and would holiday there every year. We have had some amazing road trips there over the years. We were due to go to New Orleans this year but I’ve cancelled, I no longer want to go.

They are completely alienating themselves from the rest of the world, talking about taking over other countries, turning on allies, suddenly best mates with Russia ….

I watched that awful woman speaking to the UK journalist this morning “we don’t give a crap about your opinion” - how rude and obnoxious. Don’t even get me started on trump - greeting Zelenskyy with “I see you’ve dressed up for the occasion” !!! I’m no fan of Starmer but could you imagine him greeting a foreign leader like that?

Imagine Rachel Reeves screaming at a journalist that we don’t give a crap about their opinion?

What is wrong with America right now and will they ever recover from this administration?

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MushMonster · 31/03/2025 17:21

UserNow · 31/03/2025 10:11

There's a fascinating book about manufacturing and global supply chains by the NYT reporter Peter Goodman called How the World Ran Out of Everything. There's a case study that runs through it about a young entrepreneur trying to get a novelty toy manufactured in the US who finds out it's essentially impossible to get it made anywhere other than China. The manufacturing infrastructure is gone in the US.

I don't disagree that a more diversified economy that includes a manufacturing base is a good idea, but you don't get there fast or by smashing everything. You get there through thoughtful, structured growth, which is expensive and slow and against the interests of shareholders and CEOs and consumers. It will never happen.

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Yes, you touched the sensitive part. It is against the interest of a few, those with most of the money.
But it is in the interest of the majority, so my position is that it will happen, must happen and we should have started before yesterday.
But 100% agree that smashing it all is not going to take US anywhere. Trump is doing this wrong.

MushMonster · 31/03/2025 17:24

Serpentstooth · 31/03/2025 09:06

@MushMonster hoping to re establish manufacturing here in UK isn't possible, there is no way it makes economic sense. Why do you think the remainder of our industries are 1. Foreign owned and 2. Being shut down here with jobs exported overseas. Because owners can get labour cheaper elsewhere and if they could get it free they would. Similar applies to USA. Look at Detroit, for example. Abandoned by investors with those who can't leave scrabbling in the ashes for a living. Betrayed by grabby incompetent politicians in both countries, the working class needs to redefine itself or it will be an eventual return to serfdom. A different solution needs to be found and Bigly hasn't got one.

My position is that it is possible, because it is the only real option we have. So we will make it possible. That is, if we want to preserve the freedom and rights of our children and grandchildren.

MushMonster · 31/03/2025 17:31

StandFirm · 31/03/2025 11:44

This government should try. They have definitely not tried to make a case for it even though it's really needed now. That's their job as government. Not pleasing the crowds - that's the job of demagogues like Farage. A government has to govern and make the tough decisions and be transparent about them and about why. It's not at all what's happening. They're burying their heads in the sand and not being honest with the voters.

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Maybe they should start with trying to get back into the Common Market (for goods only)). Then, they can add the EU itself if things look favorable.
I agree they should be talking to the EU about opening some avenues.

StandFirm · 31/03/2025 17:35

Indeed - there are many steps before rejoining! Any step closer to facilitate trade would be good news. All I can see however is us drifting further away. The Swiss model would be perfect. And there's precedent for it.

Serpentstooth · 31/03/2025 20:19

But MushMonster, that's the delusion that Trump has sold to the deprived of USA, that an industrial renaissance will be easily accomplished. Its a lie both there and here, those manufacturing days are gone for us, and what we used to call the third world are the beneficiaries. We're all going to have to change our approach and think differently about 'progress' as nations. The old ways have run out of steam, excuseq pun.

LSGXX · 31/03/2025 20:42

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UserNow · 31/03/2025 20:54

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Sure. Kinda like blaming the sexual assault on the woman having worn a short dress?

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/03/2025 20:54

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If the Republican Party hadn't chosen Donald Trump, we would not have these dangerous idiots calling the shots. They could have chosen a different Republican, but they didn't. Instead they chose a repeat sex offending felon with no regard for democracy.

You want someone to blame? Blame the Republican Party. It's their fault.

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