To worry about America?

[BelloItalia]

I used to love America and would holiday there every year. We have had some amazing road trips there over the years. We were due to go to New Orleans this year but I’ve cancelled, I no longer want to go.

They are completely alienating themselves from the rest of the world, talking about taking over other countries, turning on allies, suddenly best mates with Russia ….

I watched that awful woman speaking to the UK journalist this morning “we don’t give a crap about your opinion” - how rude and obnoxious. Don’t even get me started on trump - greeting Zelenskyy with “I see you’ve dressed up for the occasion” !!! I’m no fan of Starmer but could you imagine him greeting a foreign leader like that?

Imagine Rachel Reeves screaming at a journalist that we don’t give a crap about their opinion?

What is wrong with America right now and will they ever recover from this administration?

VibeShift · Today 16:43

All of the people suddenly concerned about journalists not being able to do their jobs. Look closer to home!

On Labour staff going to the States, that's a complete non story, whipping up hysteria and outrage in the Daily Mail. It was dishonest, a complete distortion of the facts, with lies of omission.

The fact is that this has been going on since the 40s and Conservative operatives go over to help the Republicans, they watch, observe and exchange ideas. Americans from both parties reciprocate by coming to the UK and doing the same.

AlisonDonut · Today 16:45

What makes you think these 'wrong tattoos' are the truth in the first place?

If nothing else, does it not give you pause for thought that people are being deported without any semblance of due process? No lawyers, for example? Non El Salvadoreans being sent to a brutal prison in El Salvador?

The USA Boycott threads are a really good source for information on UK products.

Are there any?

If you were already worried about the CoL then I hope you've got the resilience to accept a BIG drop in standards of living. Everything will be much much more expensive. I'm not saying globalisation was a good thing - in fact, pretty sure it's what's killing the planet. It's not sustainable. I just don't think that people (I'm also including myself here) are truly ready to give up their way of life in the drastic way that pulling the plug on it will mean. I also think it'll make us more vulnerable to an authoritarian regime because that transition would be rough.

And by the way, AlisonDonut is certainly not a bot.

We as Europeans cannot be responsible for what goes on in the USA. We cannot worry about every person who the US government deports. We just can't.

We need to worry that the powers that be here are wedded to some very strange agendas. And if they don't sort themselves out, the whole of Europe is going to end up with right wing people in charge because everyone is sick of the current situation. Nobody seems to be learning the lesson that smacked the democrats on the arse. We are in a situation were we will either get a Trump or a Trudeau next.

And god help us all which ever way we go.

As far as the state visit goes, it does seem like Starmer can play Trump like a fiddle. Hopefully he can use his Trump whispering skills to get some concessions like a security guarantee for Ukraine or not slapping tariffs on us.(Because the UK is evil for taxing Bigly's friends.)

Who are these people?

No one has said that Europe should be responsible for what goes on in the USA. Far from it. Trump's administration has made it clear that Europe cannot trust the US.

I doubt whole of Europe is going to end up with right wing people in charge because everyone is sick of the current situation. When they saw the damage Brexit did to the UK, the European right became quieter wrt to leaving the EU. Now Trump's craziness is destroying the USA for everyone to see.

Europe is pretty centralist and democratic. The right have had a bit of a resurgence recently, but it has proven to be a disaster for those living under it. Post Brexit UK proved that. Trump's America is confirming it.

In the US, the Heritage Foundation and people like Scwab, Vernon Hill and particularly Thomas D. Klingenstein. The man behind the National Conservatism movement and JD Vance, and who Suella Braverman, Badenoch and the other right-wing libertarians endorsed at conference.

Their links to the "think-tanks" in Tufton Street are pretty clear, even if their is an effort to keep it quiet.

https://goodlawproject.org/a-good-cause-how-charities-funnelled-28m-into-rightwing-think-tanks/

Giving up a foreign passport is always required to hold a military security clearance. That has always been true and has nothing to do with the current administration.

I’m in agreement that Alison isn’t a bot, but I think the PP was commenting primarily on Alison’s tendency to repeat right-wing theories. (Such as ‘abortion’ up to 9 months gestation.)

I tend to do this weird thing called 'research' to find out why people are against such ideas as 'abortion'.

I found out that many Americans opposed abortion because technically, it was legal up until birth. So they are against abortion even though if there was a much smaller window they would probably agree with it.

These aren't 'right wing theories'. Just the situation at the time of research.

In time, such 'facts' get memory holed and washed over and explained away as 'it never happens' and so when people get incensed with rage about something, yes I will tend to point out the inconvenient uncomfortable and overlooked facts.

For doing so I am called nazi, bigot, right wing, yada yada yada. Whatever.

And again, the DEMOCRATS had ample opportunity to legislate federally on this, and they have hung it over the nation for votes for decades. But I suppose that's another 'right wing theory'?

"I found out that many Americans opposed abortion because technically, it was legal up until birth. So they are against abortion even though if there was a much smaller window they would probably agree with it."

Source please @AlisonDonut

People want democracy, well they got it

Sure, it's called 'Roe Vs Wade'.

Abortion is techinically legal up until the point of birth for very rare, tragic scenarios in which the mother's life is at risk and/or the foetus isn't viable.

Nobody is aborting a healthy pregnancy in the third trimester.

American women are already dying due to the repeal of Roe vs. Wade, even in situations where they wanted to keep their pregnancies. Maternal care suffers when abortion is heavily restricted or made illegal.

I think this is why other posters have trouble with your posts.

If you “research” like you say you do, you’ll know there is no such thing as ‘abortion’ in the third term of gestation. It’s ‘delivery’. From week 27, a foetus is technically viable. No babies are ‘aborted’ at this point unless there are irretrievable medical issues with the child or continuing the pregnancy would cause death to the mother.

This talking point was flavour of the month sometime last year with RW pundits. It has no basis in fact. You’ve been told this before but you keep repeating it.

I didn't write the law.

I am explaining why people were against it.

I've explained time and again that I personally don't have issue with the technicality, but it is why SOME PEOPLE did. And many of those people were in positions of power.

And again the DEMOCRATS could have sorted this out decades ago. Go and ask them why they allowed this to happen, it isn't my doing.

Sure, that’s okay. I did say “other posters”, not me, that might have trouble with your posts, though. I tend to skip past them myself.

If you reread the previous post you'll see that the point being made is that the poster's friend now has a good reason for reapplying for that British passport. Whereas before it wasn't worth the bother.

Yes, I'm worried. A major power electing a poisonous and stupid government like this is always a worry. Though it's interesting (to me) that I still had an unconscious view of the US as somewhere I looked up to, a beacon of freedom and rule of law etc. Turns out they're just bozos like the rest of us.

We'd planned a big trip of a month to the US in 2026 to see family and celebrate a big personal milestone. We're going elsewhere now.