Putin has been facilitating migration into Europe to destabilise society

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This Daily Telegraph article today explains how Putin has been supporting migration into Europe. And it's obviously been working as Reform etc are using it radicalise people!!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/08/russia-putin-immigrants-weapons-hybrid-warfare-libya/#comment

Everything is now starting to make more sense now.

His reach is quite scary. Clearly Trump is doing as Putin asks, lots of evidence brexit funding was coming from Russia, BoJo gave secret service the slip to have private meetings with prominent Russians, much cyber crime is coming from Russia. It’s really not good for European security and prosperity.

Putins done a lot of things but I’m not sure we can blame this one on him. There’s people coming from absolutely everywhere. It might be partly Putin but I don’t think it’s the majority. I have no idea what % it could potentially be.

This was raised way back in 2022. Putin has played a masterful long game and now that despicable pair are in the White House, it’s all coming to fruition. We need to stand strong as a country and not give Putin the further satisfaction of our own in-fighting.

There was a section on this on bbc news on Friday about Belarus soldiers showing migrants how to get over the border into Poland

When you see the way groups of Somalis inside Russia turning up at the Russian borders with Finland and Estonia, it becomes clear this is not spontaneous.

The Russian authorities are using the poor sods as fodder for their silly games.

Not too surprising, I suppose, given they send actual Russians en masse into the face of guns in Ukraine, expecting them to be entirely wiped out.

Oh, and they've now started dupe the poor blooming migrants into signing up for that, as well.

Nov 2023:
Finland to close all but one Russia border crossing to stop asylum seekers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/22/finland-to-close-all-but-one-russia-crossing-point-to-stop-asylum-seekers

Dec 2023
Russia luring migrants from Finnish border for war in Ukraine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67647379
Finnish authorities accused Russia of encouraging the influx and abandoning their usual visa checks for travellers entering the border zone.
They highlighted the organised distribution of bicycles, most of them brand new, which migrants used to cover the last stretch of the Russian border zone, bypassing Russia's ban on approaching its border posts on foot.

Migration is an ongoing issue everywhere because of displacement due to war, climate change and economic conditions.

Yes absolutely. And in many of the wars, Russia is involved.

It's a win-win for them – as long as they are utterly ruthless and see civilian populations just as more fodder for their plan.

The Russian involvement in Syria was particularly brutal (and it's not like Assad was some sort of shrinking violet either).

Thank you to every who has replied. I am really worried now about the future if everyone in UK doesn't wake up and work out how we deal with what's happening.

He's obviously funding media information as well!

It's clear that we need to stop Reform UK making further inroads into politics and keep alert for influences that seek to promote fascism. Just look how the USA has fallen 😬

Farage has been so quiet lately. He can see how damaging Trump and Musk are being to Reform's ambitions.

People are finally seeing Putin's hand behind things like Brexit and Trump's actions. But the Russians have underestimated patriotism. Foreign interference is going down like a lead balloon in Europe, including the UK.

Hopefully living through the wonders of Brexit and seeing Trump's shitshow in America will be enough to put people off the Reform Russian-funded charlatans.

This was suggested way back when Merkel was the Chancellor!
And there was an astonishing volume of migrants in Greece Italy and then Germany and Austria

@BecauseRonald I don't understand the logic of "putins hand behind brexit"

Britain has been not only a part of recent putin talks but a key voice and hosted a huge conference.
Ie we are at that table what's brexit got to do with it?
We are and will always be a part of Europe and signing documents will never change that status.
The continuing backtracking of eu members states however shows we are far better to independent on the side than part of that huge shuffling caravan whose as strong as its weakest link.

Hang on isn't "diversity our strength", don't we need migrants to "do the jobs British people won't" and aren't the people coming here "fleeing for their lives"?

I guess if you've spent years demonising anyone who thinks we should have a rational conversation about immigration but now want to send them off to die in Ukraine it's quite convenient to tell them it's to defend UK borders.

Perhaps if we'd had a sensible conversation we'd have secure borders and a workable immigration policy and Putin would have nothing to weaponise.

We literally collect people and bring them across the Mediterranean and the Channel. We then never make them leave when we discover they aren’t genuine asylum seekers. In all honesty, Putin would be wasting time and money, as we are already our own worst enemies in this front. He couldn’t orchestrate nearly such a successful system of mass migration.

Besides, on the U.K. we get about 1,000 illegal dinghy arrivals a week, about a similar number by other routes (lorry / plane) and 21,000 legal migrants, only about 3,000 of which will pay taxes here. We set our own immigration policies, so we have to take responsibility. Illegal migration really is the tip of the iceberg.

It's in lots of newspapers this morning, including the Telegraph. Absolutely fascinating, and yes, it makes so much sense. The Telegraph says: "There is evidence that Russia is fuelling migration in a number of ways, including physically moving people toward the EU’s borders, supporting smugglers, and increasing instability and violence in certain regions including Syria and parts of Africaa_."
Because let's not forget that Russia has enormously contributed to the fucked up situation in Syria from 2015 up to last year, and they were also in Lybia, so they don't just fund smugglers and move people themselves, they stir shit up in Africa and the Middle East!

It doesn't have to be either or. Cunning leaders are opportunistic and exploit other situations for their gain.

We caused this entirely by ourselves. Student visas holders who are allowed to bring their entire family, criminals we don’t deport, literally open borders when we were in the EU that even other EU countries didn’t agree to. In my child’s class only 10/31 children are British. This was all our own choice.

That's an old story.

Russian soldiers were doing that well before covid.

Regardless of whether Russia is the sole cause of increased immigration, it just shows the MULTIPLE TACTICS that Russia is doing to destabilise Europe. We need to be alert because this is not a joke. And with the USA capitulated, Russia/Putin is clearly seeing that his tactics of destabilising through immigration AND propaganda is winning combination. And fascism is a real threat when citizens are scared and being told who to blame.

Labour has been busy deporting people since they got into power.

In the first few months of their government they actually deported more people than in the last 6 months let alone year of the Tory government.

What people don't realise is why Labour is all human rights they are actually harder on immigration than the Tories.
In fact I know immigrants who thank Cameron's government for being in the country. However this doesn't suit the media narrative.

And yes Blair did make a mistake with EU succession. Meanwhile his home secretaries were busy deporting people from elsewhere and trying to put in punitive measures e.g. how people were related to each other to prevent people entering in the first place which they lost in the courts.

I do think the Russians and the Chinese do a lot to destabilise western society. I don’t think we can lay migration solely at his door. We live in an Information age where the poorest people in the world have access to social media so know the difference in living standards. I was listening to a podcast (Economist)and a survey of young people in Nigeria found that half would like to emigrate due to lack of opportunities/ employment at home. Top destination US/ UK.

I know lots of people think asylum seekers are treated terribly but Ibsuspect if you lived somewhere without access to clean water, electricity, having to hustle each day just for food then a shitty hotel with three meals could seem really nice comparatively.

I do think the answer would really be large scale investments and developments that lift countries out of poverty. Instead we see increased autocracy and corruption which only increases peoples desire to leave. Huge unsolvable long term problem.

Putin will do anything and everything he can to destabilise Europe. He wants the Russian empire back. Poland are already looking at giving every male of fighting age military training. The threat is very real.

He's succeeded in brainwashing many Americans into voting for Trump. A man who is wholly unfit to lead and likely a Putin asset. If you take a step back, it is insane that anyone with a shred of decency would vote for a twice impeached rapist. Yet vote they did.

His media campaign of disinformation has been hugely successful and we are still not seeing the checks and balances social media needs.

The UK government could a
only allow social media where users can be identified. Even if they can post anonymously, there could be a back stop where they can be identified by police if they are posting racism, misogyny , incitement to violence. Or if the are being paid to push a point of view, they would have to declare it.

I know most reasonable people would rather not have to see such state oversight, but what's the alternative? We allow massively powerful corporations like Facebook and X to control the narrative and Russian trolls work unfettered. You spot them on here all the time. Although i concede it's a double edged sword as if Reform got into power, we would see that same oversight used against us.

We either find a way to have liberalism with firm boundaries or western democracy dies. It's happening in the US as we speak. Trump is replacing senior figures throughout government and the military. At some point he will find a way to stop elections. He's already mentioning a third term. He will probably find a way to declare martial law. Let's not forget that Trump is the man who wanted BLM protesters shot.

I'd like to think Britons were less likely to get carried away with themselves in the way MAGA fans have, but then I look st Brexit, where a disinformation campaign led by Nigel Farage and Leave led to us
splitting from an advantageous economic alliance and alienated our closest most culturally similar neighbours and I know we are just as vulnerable.

Brexit was a huge coup for Putin and I'd like to see Nigel Farage's links to Russia very thoroughly investigated.

We need to take the treat from Russia very seriously indeed and forget stronger ties with our European cousins.

If Starmer raised the question of rejoining the EU I wonder how many people would be in having seen the damage Brexit had wrought.