Putin has been facilitating migration into Europe to destabilise society

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This Daily Telegraph article today explains how Putin has been supporting migration into Europe. And it's obviously been working as Reform etc are using it radicalise people!!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/08/russia-putin-immigrants-weapons-hybrid-warfare-libya/#comment

I speak Russian. I went to university in Russia. I probably know more than the average having studied their society and politics for decades. Anybody who doesn’t think that Russia is playing the long game with US and EU politics is wilfully blind. Moreover the US also does it. Both countries’ stamps are all over the EU political gameboard and we are just pawns in their game playing. Both. Of. Them. If you want to be disturbed there are plenty of videos on YouTube about this. And it’s not conspiracy theories.

The UK PAYS Lybia and France to monitor their coastlines, and Turkey and Tunisia to keep refugees

Yes we pay for that and more rather than change the system.

Look around, it clearly hasn't worked.

Any books and articles rather than YouTube?

I’m surprised you don’t mind Russia’s meddling, I wouldn’t have expected that…

I'm not the poster I believe you were replying to but I've read a couple of interesting books recently about Russia - Putin's people How the KGB Took Back Russia and Then Turned On the West by Catherine Belton and From Russia With Blood Putin's Ruthless Killing Campaign and Secret War on the West by Heidi Blake

Very interesting

for some reason I guess mainly to do with economics we have decided to mainly ignore Putin he get a bit of a telling off and a few sanctions in 2014 but we continued to be heavily reliant on Russian energy in Europe

I believe European leaders need to take some responsibility too rather than drum up fear of the Russians

the world is changing Europe isn’t as central as it once was to world power and we can’t expect the rest of the world to care that much

@Fawful I said ages ago this was happening, as a counter the idea it's not destabilising.

Just because it's news today doesn't mean people haven't talked about it before.

It's no surprise, people still will vote for soft measures here that allow Russia to do it. They just did.

I find it a bit suspicious when so called patriots don’t care about foreign interference

That's due to misunderstanding but predictable.

If people want to vote for a better way to avoid this they can.

Read the article.

thanks @rainydaysandrainbows , I have read the Belton book & often go back to it, I’ll check out the other one

@Panterusblackish
Brexit was a huge coup for Putin and I'd like to see Nigel Farage's links to Russia very thoroughly investigated.

There are plenty of journalists who loathe Nigel Farage so I’m surprised if these links aren’t being investigated.

This is nothing other than Russophobia. Britain is doing nothing to fux its own issues, including immigration. British people are behaving like life's losers blaming everyone else for their problems. Have a look in the mirror before quoting the daily rag as gospel.

And also the corruption in those countries is rampant

David Cameron decided to call the referendum (that could have been stopped by MP’s) and it was Boris Johnson that won over the vote

Nigel Farage has always been anti EU but a failed to become an MP he made it a prominent politically debate but more people were supporting his stance about immigration rather than anti EU

I very much doubt Farage had connections then but other more powerful political players I wouldn’t be surprised

I very much doubt Farage had connections then but other more powerful political players I wouldn’t be surprised

I agree about Farage. If other politicians had connections then maybe Putin will expose them as further punishment.

I believe European leaders need to take some responsibility too rather than drum up fear of the Russians

I find it interesting that European leaders are working so hard to generate anti Russian sentiment whilst apparently doing very little to prepare for the threat they claim Russia presents.

The Minsk 1&2 agreements were revealed as hollow promises by Angela Merkle. The discussions and agreements were apparently intended just to buy time for Ukraine to arm themselves. In the 7 years between Minsk 2 and the Russian invasion did we increase our own weapons stockpile to better supply Ukraine? Did we increase military spending or increase recruitment? Why did we sit on our hands waiting for what we thought was the inevitable and do nothing diplomatically to change the outcome?

Does anyone remember the outrage when, during his first term, Trump pointed out that quite a few European NATO members were not meeting NATO defence spending requirements of 2% of GDP?

If we were so convinced Russia was going to march across Europe claiming territory you'd have thought we'd have prioritised either diplomacy or preparedness. We did neither.

Tusk seems to be the only European leader who is behaving as if the Russian threat is actually real.

Journalists are certainly trying to investigate the different influences on Brexit, and where it comes to Russia did a better job than Parliament and the security services.

Dominic Grieve MP has been outstanding on this – and livid.

9 July 2020
Long-delayed report into Russian influence on UK politics could soon be cleared for publication
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/russia-report-boris-johnson-election-interference-intelligence-security-a9610251.html
Boris Johnson has been widely accused of delaying the report’s publication ahead of last December’s election

21 July 2020
Intelligence and security committee publishes long-delayed findings on Russian influence over UK politics
What does the UK’s Russia report say? Key points explained
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/21/russia-report-reveals-uk-government-failed-to-address-kremlin-interference-scottish-referendum-brexit
“The report reveals that no one in government knew if Russia interfered in or sought to influence the referendum because they did not want to know,” said Stewart Hosie, a Scottish National party MP who sits on the cross-party committee.
“The UK Government have actively avoided looking for evidence that Russia interfered. We were told that they hadn’t seen any evidence, but that is meaningless if they hadn’t looked for it.”
The committee, which scrutinises the work of Britain’s spy agencies, said: “We have not been provided with any post-referendum assessment of Russian attempts at interference”. It contrasted the response with that of the US.

« In the 7 years between Minsk 2 and the Russian invasion did we increase our own weapons stockpile to better supply Ukraine? Did we increase military spending or increase recruitment? »
No, because as much as hindsight is telling us we were wrong, at the time, « we » were broke, and if the UK/EU had told its population they were substantially increasing military spending in case of an attack by Russia on Ukraine, no one would have believed it. No one believed it until it happened, not even Zelenskyy. But it was always Putin’s intention, he always said Ukraine belonged to Russia - there are people on MN even now who think he will stop at Ukraine even though he is on record as wanting Georgia, Transnistria, Kazakhstan etc. You can see on MN how difficult it is to convince people it’s a good idea to spend more on defense by pointing to what Putin says he’ll do.

To be fair to the security services, IIUC there are restrictions on them investigating UK members of Parliament, because of the obvious danger (history?) of them being used for party political purposes.

Dominic Grieve and Ed Lucas are among the people discussing the Russia report in this podcast by journalists Carole Cadwalladr, Peter Jukes and Sergei Christo, who have been working on this for a long time:

Sergei & the Westminster Spy Ring: Follow the Money
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2G4egFcwSVgtqbLUeWVBe6

As Carole says, one of the motivating questions for their podcast was: why had the UK intelligence services NOT fully investigated whether Russia had tried to influence the Brexit referendum? Particularly given it had been shown Russia had tried to interfere in votes in other countries.

For years, right here on MN, anyone who has tried to discuss excessive migration and the negatives it poses to such a small land mass and infrastructure as the UK, has been labelled racist and/or some kind of “phobic”, told they were a “Gammon” and that constant and significant migration is a necessity as Britain has no culture of value and anyway brought it on themselves because of historical “colonisation”. I have watched these conversations with a mix of depression and fascination, i have sometimes engaged and been attacked and all the while I have wondered what would be the wake up call. Is this it? Are we actually saying that migration for all comers was absolutely fine and in no way a problem for the indigenous population and its limited resources, until we found out that Putin was behind it?

Utterly laughable, albeit extremely, hollow laughter.

Doesn't surprise me at all, and now that he has the orange idiot under his control he will use the orange idiot to destabilize the USA

Paywalled

Or maybe it has and the numbers would be much higher. Most would be migrants just arrive on flights. Not much Libya, Turkey, Tunisia etc can do about that.