Putin has been facilitating migration into Europe to destabilise society

[ThisAlertRaven]

This Daily Telegraph article today explains how Putin has been supporting migration into Europe. And it's obviously been working as Reform etc are using it radicalise people!!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/08/russia-putin-immigrants-weapons-hybrid-warfare-libya/#comment

I agree. People have been raising this for a few years.

The other problem is the hysterical and irrational attitude of the left. I have argued about immigration with a left-wing colleague, but it's a waste of time. It's like talking to a religious fundamentalist, or the member of a cult – she isn't open to discussion or reason. She already knows all the answers, and that's that. She's right and we're wrong, end of story. I gave up the day she called me a fascist because I said an illegal immigrant convicted of rape should be deported. That's the kind of loons we're dealing with. Unfortunately, such people have a massive influence. The left dominate academia, the BBC, the universities, the arts and much of the media.

I gave up the day she called me a fascist because I said an illegal immigrant convicted of rape should be deported.

I doubt that was all it was, you were clearly looking for a fight.

The terminology of the post kind of gives it away - hysterical, cult, loons.

I know they describe themselves as "the left" but the detachment from reality has nothing to do with genuine left wing politics, well it didn't in the past but I suppose the "liberal elite" have staged a hostile take over so maybe they are "the left" now. You are correct about their dominance in media, academia, the arts AND also the civil service.

They seem to have siloed themselves on Bluesky and think they are the majority but I think the political scientists, who aren't ideologically captured, estimate they represent 15% of the population at most.

Actually those who refer to “the left” are predominantly those who abhor them @FOJN.

Ah, of course, disagreement is hate. It's so predictable and frankly boring.

I merely pointed out that the term “the left” is rarely if ever used by anyone who actually votes that way. Your extrapolation is bizarre to say the least.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone who votes for right wing parties claim that it's hateful to describe the political right as "the right".

It's only "the left" or "the modern left" as I prefer to call them who see hate everywhere, in fact their whole reason for being seems to be "hate detection" which is why they find so much of it.

I've never voted for a right wing party in my life but my affection for reality makes me unwelcome with the modern left. I'm surprisingly OK with that.

But you’re the only person who’s mentioned hate. 🤷‍♀️

I do despise the extreme left, but that's because I know them. When I was young, I belonged to far-left groups. It was my encounter with actual left-wing people that turned me into a conservative. Having observed them at close quarters, I'd divide them into certain types:

1. The bitter, hate-filled sort. Frankie Boyle is a good example of this type. And they're not always people who've grown up in poverty. Often, they're just people with a sociopathic streak – people who want to smash things up and antagonise others. You see it in their attitude to immigration. They know that mass immigration upsets people and disrupts communities – and that's why they support it.

2. Those in search of a new religion. It has been done to death, but the parallels between Marxism and organised religion are astonishing. The Marxists have their holy books (Das Kapital, The Communist Manifesto), their martyrs (Rosa Luxemburg, Trotsky, etc), their prophets (Marx, Lenin, Engels) and even their promised land (a socialist utopia).

3. The show-offs, poseurs and attention-seekers. Anyone who has been to university has probably met this type. Rik in The Young Ones is a good example. Russell Brand is another.

4. The stupid, narrow-minded 'intellectual' sort. These usually come to left wing politics through books. But all they read is socialist literature. Often, they have zero emotional intelligence and cannot understand why people don't agree with them. Everything is obvious. People should be equal and everyone should be paid the same amount and there should be open borders and world peace. It's as simple and black and white as 1 + 1. They have no sense of how messy and complicated and irrational and inconsistent the real world is.

Obviously that doesn't cover every single person with left-wing views. But in my experience, the majority of hard-left people fall into one of those groups.

Clearly you have exceptionally limited experience @Dappy777. You should get out more.

It would be so nice if a genuinely important conversation wasn't derailed by bitchy personal putdowns. Play the ball, not the (wo)man.

I know the modern left has a habit of changing the meaning of words so perhaps you can define what you mean by "abhor".

My dictionary says, "regard with disgust or hatred"

Synonyms include detest, hate and loathe.

Ugh this is so tedious

I read an article as an undergrad in the geographical redistribution of the social relations of capital - fancy way of saying that capital, unable to reduce other costs, will seek to reduce labour costs either through overseas resourcing (call centres in India) or employing immigrant workers (overseas doctors).

Labour theory of value might help here.

The indigenous population will suffer, both the traditional working class and the educated middle class as their jobs are filled by cheaper labour.

There is an obvious link between seemingly rational capital choices and the beliefs of those jettisoned as uneconomic.

But let's not go there and focus instead on legal asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.

We need a real discussion and we can only have this without racism and xenophobia.

I actually don't like the fact that I can't find a tradesperson who won't charge a fortune and do a bad job post brexit. Competition is good isn't it?

You don't need to 'stop' anything. We live in a democracy not a dictatorship, ie, the public can vote for exactly who they want. What Russia is or isn't doing isn't relevant to the fact that when mainstream parties ignore people who want something doing about immigration, it leaves a gap for a party like Reform to grow. If you are unhappy about the growing popularity of Reform, then place the blame at the door of the Tories and labour whose none action is allowing them to flourish.

Zalensky warned Trump to be careful, trump reaction was very telling - Putin has lent trump millions and now he needs to work for that money that got him out of bankruptcy. What's Putins next move on the US

Oh my fucking god.

I'm disabled and rely heavily on benefits. I am up to ^^here with wankers who try to set the disabled and "foreigners" (immigrants, wrong colour people, wrong religion people, you see it all) against each other.

I have been warning for over a decade about the consequences of Osborne's swingeing austerity cuts – which targetted the disabled – followed by tax cuts and other prizes for the very rich. It created a massive and entirely intentional increase in inequality in the UK.

The Decade the Rich Won, is how some people now refer to 2008–2018.

I also realised right back at the beginning of austerity that once they'd done demonising the disabled as scroungers bringing the country down, they'd move on to the forriners. While doubtless swivelling to rebrand the disabled as martyrs of the new hate group, and threatening violence supposedly in our name.

All to stop anyone noticing that the rich had, as one of them put it "made out like bandits".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0013xcf

It's a big game of "he took your biscuit." Can be played with any players, but it's always the rich and powerful who win.

Given this is a thread about Putin and people are discussing population growth of the UK, this might be a good moment to acknowledge that about 250,000 Ukrainians suddenly arrived in the UK – as a direct result of Putin's behaviour.

(And other countries have taken far more.)

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9467/

And thank you, @Adamante , but I've been "feeling the squeeze" for well over a decade.

Since it seems that gives you a little glow.

It's not particularly illegal migration that people have objected to though is it?
that was around 37,000 last year.
It's legal migration that is allowed and encouraged by the Government that has ran at 1.2 million a year (2024) that the main issue is caused by.
Generally people feel this is too high and is contributing to an increase in housing costs and a lack of social cohesion.
The last 5 governments have continued a policy of high levels of immigration and now it has transpired that the policy is a net loss to the treasury continuing it seems inept and unwise but here we are.

TL;DR for my long post:

I know perfectly well from experience that I will not suddenly become richer if the UK does not admit refugees. Because the money was never going to come my way anyway.

I can't read all the article as there is a pay wall - could you summarise what the article says?

I think that illegal immigration affects all of Europe, including Russia - if you look up Russian policies about immigration you will see that they are quite strict. Finland is obviously quite strict too.

It is worth googling Soros and immigration - Soros has apparently been a great supporter of immigration, there is quite a lot on youtube about it, promoted by Soros (ie the sources are things like fairly recent interviews with Soros or OpenSociety videos)

I don't think that there is any link here with Farage as Farage is very vocal against illegal immigration, but not against immigration as a whole, he favours the Australian points system approach, so nothing at all about using immigration as a weapon.

Puzzled

are they saying a significant number of illegal entries have come via Russia, or what? I feel like there's info missing from
these links - the ones i can access.