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To suspect the "deal" between the US and Russia Greenland for Ukraine?

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FancyRedRobin · 05/03/2025 09:02

The way things are shaping up I'm beginning to think the USAs negotiations with Putin were for USA to stand aside and let Putin have part of Ukraine and for Russia to support the US to take Greenland.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/03/2025 10:41

TheBrightJadeReader · 14/03/2025 10:12

thats upto your leaders to decide,

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Well no, it’s up to the people. You might not have noticed that the list you copied and pasted from somewhere else included a referendum but it would be kind of crucial. (And for the referendum to have any legal standing it needs to be free and fair, not Putin style.)

Maggiethecat · 14/03/2025 11:19

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/03/2025 10:41

Well no, it’s up to the people. You might not have noticed that the list you copied and pasted from somewhere else included a referendum but it would be kind of crucial. (And for the referendum to have any legal standing it needs to be free and fair, not Putin style.)

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I’m not sure that that poster even knows what a referendum is. Just a wind up.

DuncinToffee · 14/03/2025 11:37

😂Canada giving Marco Rubio the tiniest red carpet they could find in a thrift shop somewhere.

To suspect the "deal" between the US and Russia Greenland for Ukraine?
MrsTerryPratchett · 14/03/2025 13:07

TheBrightJadeReader · 14/03/2025 10:04

All this would make it legal without war

Political Will: Both countries would need strong political will from their governments and public support. Leaders in both the US and Canada would have to advocate for such a union.

Referendums: Both countries would likely need to hold referendums. Citizens of Canada and the United States would vote on whether they support the union.

Bilateral Agreements: Canada and the United States would need to negotiate and sign a series of bilateral agreements. These agreements would cover legal, economic, social, and political integration aspects.

Legislation: Both the US Congress and the Canadian Parliament would need to pass comprehensive legislation to facilitate the integration. This could include amendments to the US Constitution.

International Treaties: International treaties would need to be revised or created, covering aspects like trade, defense, and international relations.

Economic Integration: Integration of economies, including currency alignment, trade policies, and regulatory standards, would need to be addressed. This would be a complex and lengthy process.

Cultural and Social Integration: Programs to promote cultural and social integration would need to be established to ensure smooth assimilation of Canadian citizens into American society and vice versa.

Transition Period: A transition period would be necessary to gradually implement all changes, potentially spanning several years.

I have people having AI be their ‘brain’. AI is stupid as fuck.

TheBrightJadeReader · 14/03/2025 13:11

@MrsTerryPratchett well its better than others guesses at least this is more accurate information

MrsTerryPratchett · 14/03/2025 13:17

TheBrightJadeReader · 14/03/2025 13:11

@MrsTerryPratchett well its better than others guesses at least this is more accurate information

Here's some accurate information. Polls show that a tiny, and falling, number of Canadians would consider it. 9% at last polling.

Anyone who understands polling knows that you can't get 91% of people to agree that water is wet. Canadians will never agree to Trump taking Canada.

HangryLilacGoose · 14/03/2025 16:32

TheBrightJadeReader · 14/03/2025 10:04

All this would make it legal without war

Political Will: Both countries would need strong political will from their governments and public support. Leaders in both the US and Canada would have to advocate for such a union.

Referendums: Both countries would likely need to hold referendums. Citizens of Canada and the United States would vote on whether they support the union.

Bilateral Agreements: Canada and the United States would need to negotiate and sign a series of bilateral agreements. These agreements would cover legal, economic, social, and political integration aspects.

Legislation: Both the US Congress and the Canadian Parliament would need to pass comprehensive legislation to facilitate the integration. This could include amendments to the US Constitution.

International Treaties: International treaties would need to be revised or created, covering aspects like trade, defense, and international relations.

Economic Integration: Integration of economies, including currency alignment, trade policies, and regulatory standards, would need to be addressed. This would be a complex and lengthy process.

Cultural and Social Integration: Programs to promote cultural and social integration would need to be established to ensure smooth assimilation of Canadian citizens into American society and vice versa.

Transition Period: A transition period would be necessary to gradually implement all changes, potentially spanning several years.

Looks very similar to the AI generated explanation of the ways the US could become part of Russia, outside of war. Probably more realistic.

Andylion · 14/03/2025 16:52

TheBrightJadeReader · 14/03/2025 10:11

then may god be with you and save you all from America

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You think this is a joke, don’t you?

MuckFusk · 14/03/2025 19:21

Getbackinthebox · 14/03/2025 07:04

As things are continuing to develop I think your assumption is looking spot on at the moment! The retoric coming out of the White House now seems to be that they are going to take Greenland one way or another whereas the Greenlanders say they dont want to be American.

It's a direct threat. He wants to invade. 😡

MuckFusk · 14/03/2025 19:32

TheBrightJadeReader · 14/03/2025 10:30

fair points, but how many leaders in history have also said one thing then months or years later they are all singing a different tune ? so can you be 100% percent certain and i believe the answer is no

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It's not 100% certain that the sun will even rise tomorrow. The probability that it will is comparable to the probability that Canada will continue to resist.

MuckFusk · 14/03/2025 19:39

TheBrightJadeReader · 14/03/2025 09:06

pritty much at the moment, like that song, one way or another im gonna gettca

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You find this amusing? You thinking of singing little ditties about fascist expansionism? Are you for real with this shit?
Well I've got a song that's more fit for your purpose.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80033942

Enjoy.

StandFirm · 14/03/2025 20:53

Trump's rhetoric on Greenland and Canada talking about arbitrary borders that 'don't work' (he's literally just said Canada works better as a US state!!) - all of that is only to make his Russian friend look better re Ukraine. That's it. Trump is undermining the notion of sovereign states because that will serve his new allies best.

DuncinToffee · 14/03/2025 21:01

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2ljrjeqzq4o

Greenland's leading political parties have issued a joint statement to condemn Donald Trump's "unacceptable behaviour", after the US president seemed to escalate his campaign to take over the island.

The show of unity saw all leaders of parties in the Inatsisartut - the parliament - release a joint message saying they "cannot accept the repeated statements about annexation and control of Greenland".

Getbackinthebox · 14/03/2025 21:19

Every new development on this is lowering my view of the Americans down into the gutter.

Verdansk84 · 14/03/2025 22:27

Who on Earth Wants a World Government, What Kind, and Why? An International Survey Experiment | International Studies Quarterly | Oxford Academic

there is also plans for a one world govt, to me if the whole world became eg like the federation of planets from star trek, would that be a better style govt overall ? as then there would be no rouge states etc , plus as and when humanity expands to the stars would a unified world be better vs different nations competing with each other for trade deals in space ?

StandFirm · 14/03/2025 22:31

Verdansk84 · 14/03/2025 22:27

Who on Earth Wants a World Government, What Kind, and Why? An International Survey Experiment | International Studies Quarterly | Oxford Academic

there is also plans for a one world govt, to me if the whole world became eg like the federation of planets from star trek, would that be a better style govt overall ? as then there would be no rouge states etc , plus as and when humanity expands to the stars would a unified world be better vs different nations competing with each other for trade deals in space ?

Unfortunately, the way things are going, I think that would mean a world dictatorship and a dying hell hole for a planet.

Verdansk84 · 14/03/2025 22:34

StandFirm · 14/03/2025 22:31

Unfortunately, the way things are going, I think that would mean a world dictatorship and a dying hell hole for a planet.

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hopefully it would be a more helpful and better govt than the ones currently

StandFirm · 14/03/2025 23:03

A world dictatorship could not possibly be better. It would be hell. Literally.

MuckFusk · 15/03/2025 00:34

Verdansk84 · 14/03/2025 22:27

Who on Earth Wants a World Government, What Kind, and Why? An International Survey Experiment | International Studies Quarterly | Oxford Academic

there is also plans for a one world govt, to me if the whole world became eg like the federation of planets from star trek, would that be a better style govt overall ? as then there would be no rouge states etc , plus as and when humanity expands to the stars would a unified world be better vs different nations competing with each other for trade deals in space ?

We wouldn't get the Federation of Planets. We would get the Klingons in the form of Putin or somebody like him. There are no words for how bad an idea that is.

MuckFusk · 15/03/2025 00:36

StandFirm · 14/03/2025 23:03

A world dictatorship could not possibly be better. It would be hell. Literally.

It's like we're living in an Orwellian nightmare when people actually think that's a good idea. WTF.

Verdansk84 · 15/03/2025 01:33

MuckFusk · 15/03/2025 00:36

It's like we're living in an Orwellian nightmare when people actually think that's a good idea. WTF.

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the reason im in favor of a one would govt, at present the world is a fractured mess of competing intrests, each nation clawing for dominance while pretending to value diplomacy, this system breeeds nothing byt inefficiency , conflict, and stagnation, a one world govt wlould eliminate these squabbles, replacing chaos with order, division with unity, imagine a global authority that can act decisively, no more wars sparked by egos, no more economic instability, caused by protectionist policies, no more threats left because leaders are too busy arguing over sovereignty, one currency, one economy, one law, this is not tyranny, it is efficiency, the people or public, crave stability not chaos, they want strong leadership.

ofcourse the critics will decry, such a system as oppressive, but what they truly fear is paralysis disguised as freedom, the masses demand action but their govts offere only debates slowling down progress, a global gove on the other hand would replace weak willed politics with strong leadership that guides and protects humanity, and when needed compels, the old world is changing and the future belongs to those with vison and the ability to understand for their to be world peace we need a world govt,

MuckFusk · 15/03/2025 01:45

Verdansk84 · 15/03/2025 01:33

the reason im in favor of a one would govt, at present the world is a fractured mess of competing intrests, each nation clawing for dominance while pretending to value diplomacy, this system breeeds nothing byt inefficiency , conflict, and stagnation, a one world govt wlould eliminate these squabbles, replacing chaos with order, division with unity, imagine a global authority that can act decisively, no more wars sparked by egos, no more economic instability, caused by protectionist policies, no more threats left because leaders are too busy arguing over sovereignty, one currency, one economy, one law, this is not tyranny, it is efficiency, the people or public, crave stability not chaos, they want strong leadership.

ofcourse the critics will decry, such a system as oppressive, but what they truly fear is paralysis disguised as freedom, the masses demand action but their govts offere only debates slowling down progress, a global gove on the other hand would replace weak willed politics with strong leadership that guides and protects humanity, and when needed compels, the old world is changing and the future belongs to those with vison and the ability to understand for their to be world peace we need a world govt,

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Wow. I'm not sure what to say to that. I doubt it would have any impact on you if I went through all the points and injected a dose of reality into your dream, so tbh I can't be arsed to try. Thanks for sharing that with me.

Verdansk84 · 15/03/2025 01:49

MuckFusk · 15/03/2025 01:45

Wow. I'm not sure what to say to that. I doubt it would have any impact on you if I went through all the points and injected a dose of reality into your dream, so tbh I can't be arsed to try. Thanks for sharing that with me.

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see this is the puzzlement whats wrong with wanting a world better than it currently is now ?

we have russia, china, then various rouge states, and you can honestly say they are good for world stability, then you have trump trying to take canada, haveing a one world govt will solve all those issues.

not to mention if humanity reaches the stars, can you imagine the trade imbalances that would happen for example, if the usa got some high end tech from star system A, but then russia wanted that tech and could not make any business deals with star system A so instead goes to war with the usa to get the tech etc.

at least if it was one world govt then there would be no wars.

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