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to tell ex that if parents evening is that important, he can sodding well go?

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PyongyangKipperbang · 04/03/2025 22:51

Youngest of six in senior school. Parents evening once a term and every term it is the same. She is top set and doing very well, not bragging, just a fact. I spend a couple of hours sitting waiting and then probably half an hour total being told that she is doing very well and then getting the sales pitch for her to choose their subject for GCSE. Talked to her earlier about the next one and asked her if she would mind if we didnt go, she said she thought it was a waste of time. Her father messaged me tonight asking if I had made the appointments as he gets the email reminders. I said no as I wasnt going and asked if he had made his own appointments. He went MAD. I am a bad mother, I dont care about her, I should go blah blah. I said that I had been to all the other appointments and it hadnt really told me anything I didnt know but he was welcome to go himself. Again, it was my job, I am a shit mother who doesnt care about her.

So that was when I lost my shit and said "Well considerning you have never been to a single one of her parents evenings, perhaps this is the time you should go if you think it matters so much". Radio Silence.

I dont feel that it will make any difference, DD agrees.

So, if it matters to him so much, he can go right?

OP posts:
Hoplolly · 08/03/2025 17:53

Bloody hell, what a lot of projection on this thread.

Someone should go, regardless if the child is Einstein. One day, they'll look back with the view their parents couldn't be arsed. I know, because I do. Show up for your kid and stop making excuses.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 17:54

llizzie · 08/03/2025 17:42

I divorced my first husband. I stated that on a previous post. Why would you think I have no experience of abusive men?

I read and re-read every post the OP wrote.

OP says she doesn't consider herself a victim, how is anything me or anyone else says 'victim bashing' ? It is common sense. If there are no victims in a divorce, there are none after.

That word is overused and watered down. What will it mean in the future?

If you know what starts him off, why press his buttons? It is a very dangerous thing to do.

The OP admitted that she lost her temper. She said 'lost her s---' which I take to mean the same. Once you lose your temper, you lose an argument. Common knowledge.

When he called her a 'bad mother' she rounded on him and said him NEVER going made him a worse (s---) DF. Did he ever go to his DD's school all the years they were married?

That is what she wrote. Am I wrong? I called it six of one and half a dozen of the other. It has nothing to do with 'victim bashing', especially if she says she isn't a victim.

The OP is divorced. They only need to contact one another for the sake of the child. In this case the first contact was the DF who asked the OP if she was keeping the appointment. Why did it start a row? She could just have said 'no'.

When you make a child together, it is the responsibility of both to ensure that child grows up to be a level headed adult.

Parents have to love the child more than they hate each other. They have to be civil to one another for the child's sake.

DD has visitation with her DF, who messaged the OP about his DD's meet teacher appointment.

Don't blame me for her posts' confusions. The OP said she was sure she was right, but there was a 'but', so she wasn't sure. I filled in the 'but' and she didn't agree. Did you all have to use bad language to tell me that you didn't agree?

Did I touch a raw nerve?

As I said, while you are having a go at me, you are leaving some other poor soul alone, because you all have to have a go at someone, don't you?

The meet teacher evening is important. Many posters said so. It is a meeting of parents and class teachers, about the child's progress and future. It is not a head teacher meeting about health issues. The two are separate.

A 16 year old with issues should decide if the parents go or not. Other posters said how important it is. The parents must make up their own minds. If the child doesn't want to go, the parents can go alone. Don't you agree?

In the OPs first post, she berated posters because none had answered her question properly. She just wanted to have our approval at the abuse of her X.

I told her if she knew he was abusive, why respond to him? Nothing to do with victim bashing. Good sound advice. Free counselling, if you like. They don't live together, so why reply?

When I said 'after having 6 children she should know what angers him, she responded with the news that actually, this was his only child with her.

For 11 school years he had NEVER been to any of her schools to meet teachers? If true, it was very bad indeed. Was it only acceptable after the divorce? Was it never discussed in the marriage?

How can divorced parents row about not wanting to go to meet their DD teachers? He asked if she was keeping the appointment. Instead of saying just 'no' she told him that she had NO INTENTION of going. I got the first impression that she COULDN'T go, and OP balled me out because I wrote 'couldn't' instead. I really though that no parent would refuse to meet their child's teachers. My sympathy was for DD, not for him.

She was asking if she was justified in calling him a SF after he called her a bad mother'? You have to love your children more than you hate each other. If she didn't persuade him to go when they were married, why expect it now?

You won't agree with me, but for the OP to say her X was so afraid of her he 'cowered behind a door' when she dropped off DD is nasty. Did he just want to avoid another row?

Oh FFS can you just stop !! It’s exhausting. I’ve said my piece several times over, and I’m not alone by any means. You’ve derailed the entire thread with this nonsense and you’ve clearly worn the OP out to the point where she’s abandoned the thread. Hope you’re proud.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 17:56

Hoplolly · 08/03/2025 17:53

Bloody hell, what a lot of projection on this thread.

Someone should go, regardless if the child is Einstein. One day, they'll look back with the view their parents couldn't be arsed. I know, because I do. Show up for your kid and stop making excuses.

Read the thread. Several posters said similar to yourself so OP went back and talked to her DD who was emphatic that she not only doesn’t want OP to go to parents evening, but she doesn’t want her to go to the options evening either. It’s nothing to do with not being arsed - OP is in regular contact every fortnight with DD’s head of year, so she’s more clued up than most parents. And your opening comment about projecting - what do you think you’re doing here ?

Imbusytodaysorry · 08/03/2025 17:57

cait967 · 04/03/2025 22:52

Honestly one of you should go. Maybe take it in turns

Yeah the idiot ex husband should

llizzie · 08/03/2025 17:59

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 17:47

For someone who professes to have been chairman on the board of governors of more than one school for the disabled, you don’t seem to have a very good grasp of what they entail. And I’m trying very hard not to see your last sentence as shockingly ableist, and I’m afraid I’m failing.

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The role of a governing body is the education of the child, not the diseases they are suffering from. It was the job of the governing body to ensure that what the children needed was supplied. There was no diagnosis of ND before the 1990s, and ADHD was coined in 2000, the 21st century.

“Neurodivergent” isn't a medical term, condition or diagnosis. People who are neurodivergent have differences in the way their brain works. This is still true even for people with the same medical diagnosis. That means people with very different signs and symptoms can still have the same diagnosis.

It was described in the late 1990s

ADHD has only been a recognised diagnosis since 2000.

I am not embarrassed or hurt by your very rude post on my character. It may well be known to all on here. It is not to me. I suspect I am not alone.

waitingforsainos · 08/03/2025 18:00

In this situation, I'd ask your daughter if she wants you to go talk to some/all her teachers. If she isn't fussed, don't go.

I was the 'good' one out of my siblings. My parents always went to all of their parents evenings because they were worried about them and didn't go to a single one of my senior school ones because 'it was always fine and there was no point'. If they had asked, I'd have wanted them to at least go to one a year so I felt like they cared.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 18:00

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 17:54

Oh FFS can you just stop !! It’s exhausting. I’ve said my piece several times over, and I’m not alone by any means. You’ve derailed the entire thread with this nonsense and you’ve clearly worn the OP out to the point where she’s abandoned the thread. Hope you’re proud.

If it wears you out, don't respond.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 18:06

thepariscrimefiles · 08/03/2025 07:01

I'm more worried about you having a vote. Your levels of comprehension and empathy are seriously lacking but you have insisted on taking over this thread with your uninformed, self-satisfied, tone deaf contributions.

If you think your remarks will make me agree with everyone who posts on here that they are hard done by and life is cruel and unfair, then I will not.

There are two sides to every problem. Only by discussing both sides can you determine who is to blame for a situation. It is the same in ordinary relationships with a partner as in a war.

I did not vote for either the reasonable or unreasonable, on the grounds that it is too one sided. and if I agreed with the poster without knowing just what happened it would be wrong. If there are no victims in a divorce, there are none after the divorce.

Parents have to love their children more than they hate each other.

It was a tit for tat spat of name calling in the end. If you know what starts someone off, don't press their buttons. You only have yourself to blame.

JamesWebbSpaceTelescope · 08/03/2025 18:08

llizzie · 08/03/2025 17:49

I don't. Why would I? You mothers ask questions and I answer them. We are supposed to be a democratic country with free speech.

Why ask questions if you only expect people to agree with you? I have always maintained that there are two sides to every question.

If you think having my responses deleted has any sort of affect on me, you are wrong. I answer with my opinion. If I refuse to accept that there could be a more amicable arrangement when it comes to children's education, I have the right to say it.

I will not agree with someone who thinks they have the right to throw insults as a response.

Parents should love their children more than they hate each other. They should stand united when it comes to anything to do with the children they have made together. There is no need for abuse on either side when they are divorced.

”you mothers” is very telling. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Continue to bask in your imagined superiority.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 18:12

llizzie · 08/03/2025 17:59

The role of a governing body is the education of the child, not the diseases they are suffering from. It was the job of the governing body to ensure that what the children needed was supplied. There was no diagnosis of ND before the 1990s, and ADHD was coined in 2000, the 21st century.

“Neurodivergent” isn't a medical term, condition or diagnosis. People who are neurodivergent have differences in the way their brain works. This is still true even for people with the same medical diagnosis. That means people with very different signs and symptoms can still have the same diagnosis.

It was described in the late 1990s

ADHD has only been a recognised diagnosis since 2000.

I am not embarrassed or hurt by your very rude post on my character. It may well be known to all on here. It is not to me. I suspect I am not alone.

In an earlier post you professed not to have heard the term ND and had to google it. I found it strange that someone with your experience on the governing bodies of special schools wouldn’t have come across this term. You’ve clearly been googling again because you’re copying and pasting. I know all about ND - have been a disability outreach worker since the mid 1990’s and the phrase was well in use by then - it may not be a medical term, but there are different diagnoses made under its’ umbrella, so to speak. And I’m not sure what the distinction is that you’re making in the role of the governing body. How can you ensure that what the children need is supplied if you don’t understand the conditions they have ? If the child is in special education then the condition is integral to that, and determines the level of need surely ?

llizzie · 08/03/2025 18:13

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 17:56

Read the thread. Several posters said similar to yourself so OP went back and talked to her DD who was emphatic that she not only doesn’t want OP to go to parents evening, but she doesn’t want her to go to the options evening either. It’s nothing to do with not being arsed - OP is in regular contact every fortnight with DD’s head of year, so she’s more clued up than most parents. And your opening comment about projecting - what do you think you’re doing here ?

Which makes a mockery of him calling her a bad mother and her calling him a bad father, doesn't it, because that is what the argument was about.

It is sad that throughout a child's education the father never went to her schools and met her teachers, something that should have been discussed while they were married.

Rather late to remind him now, isn't it? Two parents rowing because neither one wants to go, because the 16 year old doesn't want to go either, and no one suggested they don't take her with them.

Even worse that neither of them think it worth the effort. What about the DD? How can a 16 year old make that decision? How can parents let her, especially if the DD has ND.

The love of the child is more important than anything else. I said the meeting was important. I don't give a monkey's whether you all think it a take it or leave it appointment.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/03/2025 18:16

llizzie · 08/03/2025 15:41

Please tell me when I said I could understand why he was upset.

In your post of 00.38 you said:

'I see now that I was too kind. You refused to attend the child's meet teacher evening because you didn't think it was worth going, as you were only going to be told what you knew already, that your DD was doing well.

I can see why that would upset her father.'

You can't even keep track of your own hideous posts but then deny saying the things that other posters have challenged you about.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 18:16

llizzie · 08/03/2025 18:00

If it wears you out, don't respond.

I didn’t say it wears me out did I ? I can challenge your bullshit all night.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 18:24

llizzie · 08/03/2025 18:13

Which makes a mockery of him calling her a bad mother and her calling him a bad father, doesn't it, because that is what the argument was about.

It is sad that throughout a child's education the father never went to her schools and met her teachers, something that should have been discussed while they were married.

Rather late to remind him now, isn't it? Two parents rowing because neither one wants to go, because the 16 year old doesn't want to go either, and no one suggested they don't take her with them.

Even worse that neither of them think it worth the effort. What about the DD? How can a 16 year old make that decision? How can parents let her, especially if the DD has ND.

The love of the child is more important than anything else. I said the meeting was important. I don't give a monkey's whether you all think it a take it or leave it appointment.

This reply wasn’t to you, but I’ll bite. You’ve been told numerous times now that OP is very involved with DD’s school. She is in regular contact every couple of weeks with DD’s head of year - you’re very handy with the supercilious put downs but you’ve yet to explain what you think OP would gain from the parents’ evening given that she’s comprehensively up to date on DD’s progress and makes it her business to be so.

There was also no ‘argument’ between OP and her ex. He asked a question, she answered it, and because he’s a controlling narcissistic arse and OP wasn’t obeying him, he kicked off at her. Not the other way around.

Oh and by the way your ableism is showing again. Because she is ND doesn’t mean that DD isn’t more than capable of making decisions for herself. She’s clearly doing well, knows what she wants and is being given the autonomy she deserves. So it’s back to Google for you then, because you clearly think ND means some sort of learning disability. Sorry to disappoint.

Tenthousandspoonsitslike · 08/03/2025 18:41

Oh my goodness , I’ve been out all day, had several drinks and @llizzie is still spouting BS.

feel so sorry for this very reasonable OP that her thread has been completely derailed by this loon

WinterBones · 08/03/2025 18:55

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 02:00

Thank you all for your responses, with one notable exception!

I will not be going. DD and I had another conversation about it and she confirmed that she really doesnt want to go either. It turns out that she also doesnt want to go the Option Evening, so that is under consideration. Further chats will be had over that one.I am not convinced that we should skip it, if only for appearances sake but if she insists, I will go with what she wants.

As for ex (you know? The question I asked.....) he hasnt responded at all and when I dropped dd off at his today (because of course I do that as he wont drive) he hid behind the door which I think says everything.

Thanks again.

Share and enjoy.

I said upthread i'd been through this with my ex. He makes a MASSIVE ass of himself every parents evening for both kids, but has NEVER attended a single one.

The usual routine is he gets an email, i get yelled at because i don't go to every one and they VITALLY IMPORTANT, and then i get a rant about how the school are being unfair to working parents and purposely trying to exclude him.. even though if he wanted to go he could just book appointments later in the day (our sons are all during school hours, SN school/colleges) or arrange a phonecall which is offered for parents who can't make it.

He makes threats to email/send shitty phonecalls to the schools, and i make it known to the school that his behaviour is all his own and nothing to do with me or my children.

He never does any of it.. just blows up, abuses me, makes my life hell for a day or two, then goes quiet.

Rinse Repeat.

I just don't bother telling him now, and shut down any conversation about it. DD15 is in her GCSE year and he seems, after 8 years, to have finally decided to just let me update him if i do attend them.

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 20:22

Thanks again all for the contructive advice and comments.

To answer a couple of point....

DD is far from the "forgotten child". As her older siblings have either moved out or are at uni, she gets more one to one with me as a teen than they did. And due to the ND I have no choice to be as involved as I am. We are very close and she is very close to two of her sisters in particular and would talk to them if she didnt want to talk to me.

And for those STILL banging on about "one of you should go", I am not discussing that anymore. This is not what the thread was about and I have already explained the reasons why not many times.

OP posts:
JadeMember · 08/03/2025 20:57

I just read your posts and you are absolutely correct to tell your Ex that he should go to the parents evening if he is that bothered about it. It’s your choice not to go and if you are not concerned about your DD, then I can see it being a waste of time. My twins are in the Y9 and I went to every bloody parents evening since they started school and a lot of time it was just the same stuff over and over again. They chose GCSE subjects in Y8 and now they are preparing for it, but my Ex ( their dad ) still doesn’t remember what subjects they did choose and he has them 50/50

Hoplolly · 08/03/2025 20:58

@Lovelysausagedogscrumpy It's not meant to be for her DD to decide. Lazy assed parenting is what it is.

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 21:01

Hoplolly · 08/03/2025 20:58

@Lovelysausagedogscrumpy It's not meant to be for her DD to decide. Lazy assed parenting is what it is.

A lazy ass parent wouldnt have fortnightly contact with her HOY and wouldnt have advocated for her due to her ND.

But carry on making assumptions and looking silly if you want to.

OP posts:
Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 23:03

Hoplolly · 08/03/2025 20:58

@Lovelysausagedogscrumpy It's not meant to be for her DD to decide. Lazy assed parenting is what it is.

The difference between my opinion and yours is that I’ve read the full thread. You clearly haven’t.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 23:23

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 18:12

In an earlier post you professed not to have heard the term ND and had to google it. I found it strange that someone with your experience on the governing bodies of special schools wouldn’t have come across this term. You’ve clearly been googling again because you’re copying and pasting. I know all about ND - have been a disability outreach worker since the mid 1990’s and the phrase was well in use by then - it may not be a medical term, but there are different diagnoses made under its’ umbrella, so to speak. And I’m not sure what the distinction is that you’re making in the role of the governing body. How can you ensure that what the children need is supplied if you don’t understand the conditions they have ? If the child is in special education then the condition is integral to that, and determines the level of need surely ?

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Parents would be horrified if they thought their children were being discussed in meetings of Governors. The children are placed in a school according to their needs, and the Governors meet to discuss the school, not the pupils.

The School Governors only discuss the school needs and the supply of them. They also interview and appoint Head Teachers with advice.

The placement of children in schools is for the local authority who employ people to do that. Anything to do with the child is confidential.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 23:30

Tenthousandspoonsitslike · 08/03/2025 18:41

Oh my goodness , I’ve been out all day, had several drinks and @llizzie is still spouting BS.

feel so sorry for this very reasonable OP that her thread has been completely derailed by this loon

You know what? The OP complained that 'all the posters have not answered her question, which was not about the meet teacher, but the row she had with her X over going, and what he said to her.

I commented on that, and she didn't like that either. I suggested if she had not responded to him, but ended the message, he would have been unable to say anything bad to her.

I suppose you would say the night was filled with sunshine if I said it was dark.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 23:42

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 07/03/2025 09:28

At no point did OP say it was boring. What she did say, and which you clearly missed before wading in, was that her DD doesn’t want to go - that OP’s decision not to go was actually made with DDs input, so of course she will know OP hasn’t gone. OP didn’t say she had an important clash either. She just thinks it’s a waste of time. Like so many posters here you just haven’t bothered to read what the OP has actually said, preferring to critique her parenting skills instead of actually answering the question she asked.

Why did you think fit to respond to this poster? Did you arrange to take up issues on behalf of the OP?

blacksax · 08/03/2025 23:51

Wow there really are some hard-of-thinking people on this thread.

Good on you @PyongyangKipperbang for standing up to him. He has no right to insult you for not doing something he's never done himself.