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I think SS is hurting my baby

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GreenPinkLilac · 04/03/2025 14:05

I have an SS, 6, two older SC and a baby who is nearly 1. When my baby was about three months old I saw SS squeezing her legs too hard. She was in a bouncy chair in the kitchen whilst I cooked and he was crouched in front of her and didn’t know I was watching. He did it twice, it was hard enough to leave bruises and he admitted it when I stopped him. Obviously I was very angry and upset but didn’t get cross with him, talked it through and watched him like a hawk for months afterwards. His dad was furious too.

Last weekend SC were here and the baby now has bruises all over her legs which look a lot like finger marks. Nursery have written up an incident report. I am as sure as it’s possible to be that it wouldn’t be the older SC, and I don’t see how the marks could have been made other than by squeezing.

I’ve known SS since he was a toddler and he’s very attached to me so it makes sense that he would be jealous because the baby takes up my time, but I cannot have this happen again. He is a high needs, high energy child who gets more 1:1 attention than anyone else when he’s in our house, but can never get enough attention.

Please talk me through an appropriate approach because I am beyond furious right now.

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ZiggyXena · 05/03/2025 17:55

Sorry @Katbum I meant to quote @Tandora

Tandora · 05/03/2025 17:55

Katbum · 05/03/2025 17:42

They’re not bound by anything though. That’s the point. There’s no legal responsibility towards a stepchild other than there is towards any other child in your vicinity. There are societal expectations that ultimately fall disproportionately on women.

No of course they aren’t legally bound. Biological parent, step parent, or not, You can be a total arsehole to anyone , including any child, as long as you don’t break the law.
i was expressing an opinion about what people are bound to do by principles of common decency. It’s not about being a woman, it’s about being an adult, And a decent human being. when setting and enforcing boundaries, step parents are bound by obligation to consider how these actions affect the wellbeing of all the members of the family/ children in the household, and not just themselves/ their own children. Regardless of your own personal feelings, you should understand that the wellbeing of all the children in the family is of equal importance and worth. It’s monumentally selfish and irresponsible to behave otherwise. And it causes very real and lasting harm to a lot of children.

Arran2024 · 05/03/2025 18:06

Is nursery not involving safeguarding? I'm astonished if they are not. Child turns up with bruises which, at best, are caused by a jealous half siblings, at worst, by someone else (because they only have your word for it).

The boy needs help - CAMHS referral - and ASAP. And your daughter needs protection from him.

Tandora · 05/03/2025 18:06

Katbum · 05/03/2025 17:40

You’ve got no idea what happens in my home. As I’ve said of course you consider all children - but you can ultimately only really do anything substantive in regards to your own. In my view it is monumentally selfish to leave a relationship where there are children and subject them to the pain and insecurity of a broken home (I know it’s not always a choice made by both parties!) - but a lot of parents (and children) want to blame the stepparents for the inevitability that children from
broken homes will grow up with huge emotional damage. This is not the stepparents fault, although obviously they shouldn’t add to it.

In my view it is monumentally selfish to leave a relationship where there are children and subject them to the pain and insecurity of a broken home

I don’t think it’s automatically selfish to leave a relationship that isn’t working. A lot of children are actually happier after their parents split- it’s incredibly difficult to live in an unhappy household. And I don’t think it’s fair at all to call all separated families “insecure” and “broken homes”. Some blended families are beautiful and happy places for children to grow up and some nuclear families are toxic- it all depends on the people involved- all of them. I agree it’s totally selfish of a parent to re-partner and have more children with a person who is always going to treat their child like an inconvenience/ second class member of the household; but I don’t think that absolves the step parent/ partner for their own choices and actions. Both adults are responsible for each of their parts.

Sunshine1500 · 05/03/2025 18:44

I’ve not read the full thread but I’m quite shocked at the accusations to ss with no evidence except an incident that happened when he was 3 months old so 9 months ago. A lot changes in nine months as older children grow to accept and bond with their younger siblings.

starsinthedarksky · 05/03/2025 18:44

GreenPinkLilac · 04/03/2025 15:03

And we have worked on him lying a LOT, for YEARS. Same as for his lashing out and his anger management and his concentration…

As well as being furious, I’m also so sad. I know he’s a hurt little boy who needs structure and love and reassurance, but I can’t give him enough of that to make an impact when we only have him every other weekend and half the holidays. And I can’t have him hurting my baby.

Could the problem be, he’s not seeing you and dad enough? It’s likely he is jealous your new baby is seeing you both regularly and he only gets to come sometimes.

When I was a child (even old that 6), I would pinch my cousin whenever I would see her. I was 100% jealous of her because she lived with my grandma and saw her every day and I didn’t. My grandma was my favourite person so it was really difficult to navigate my feelings and be able to express them so I resorted to hurting the person I was jealous of.

The silver lining is, my cousin and I are the best of friends now!

I hope you manage to find a solution that works for all of you!

bellocchild · 05/03/2025 18:56

You could try setting up a system of rewards? If no-one hurts their baby sister, there'll be a treat (whatever works: ice-cream, pizza, trip to swings, special video to watch?) but ONLY if no-one hurts the baby. (Hard look at culprit: Is that clear, [name]? ) remind him two or three times a day, when he's with you. Hopefully, he will understand that squeezing the baby has unacceptable consequences...

ShinyBadger · 05/03/2025 18:58

I have a similar issue with my nieces, the middle one hurts my son. She is 7 and my son 3 and she has been doing this since he was about 9 months.
she is always sly about it, looks out the corner of her eye to see if we are looking before hurting him.

the first time I caught her squeezing his leg when I was taking a photo for them all together, you could see her knuckles white and fingers bent where she was digging them into his leg.

My partner doesn’t take his eyes off of her when they come round and then when she says the dog pushed him or he tripped we call her out and say we were watching and we saw you do xyz…. This seems to have stopped the behaviour most of the time. Now my son can talk he shouts XX do not touch me, pinch me, push me…. Etc as we have taught him to speak up and say it very loudly if some thing happens he doesn’t like which again has helped as now he calls her out she is thinking of other ways I’m sure of how to hurt him. But I still try my hardest not to let them be alone… very hard to do.

our son didn’t cry when she used to her him either so it’s hard and like you said it’s hard to always have your eye on them.

I call her out on her behaviour, talk about it and then exclude her if she is to continue. I also now have a set of rules they have to follow or they are no longer allowed to come round for dinner etc. Abit harder for you as it’s a step child.

laraitopbanana · 05/03/2025 19:03

Iamallowedtodisagreewithyou · 04/03/2025 14:07

He needs to never be alone with the baby and you need to watch him like a hawk.

That. Absolutely that. Do NOT leave him alone with baby. Baby needs to be attached to you when SC are around.

Also, you need to tell him firmly but not accusingly that the nursery wrote an incident report on the fact there were finger marks and that they will start asking question if baby gets hurt again. That you hope it never happens again so that no one gets in trouble.
You also need to explain that for these marks to be there, it must have been hard and hurtful for baby and that that makes you really sad and angry because you love your baby like you love them and you don’t want anything like that to happen again.

Gosh, I understand your anger.

Good luck 🌺

user1479766142 · 05/03/2025 19:14

Whilst we dont know for sure it is him that has done this. I'm a psychologist- He's experiencing big feelings, likely feeling unloved -given what the poor little boy has been through- mum running off with someone and having a baby, moving house, dad leaving and having a baby with someone else. It must be incredibly confusing for a little boy aged 6. He struggling to feel emotinally secure and loved. I know a friend who at the age of 6 also hurt baby relatives when their baby sibling was born as they felt huge jealousy - they are now a doctor and a well adjusted member of society. It is quite common for children of this age to react to jealousy in this way. I agree you need to monitor them both together until he feels more secure about his place in his family. The little boy also needs lots of love shown and discussions about feeling jealous and extra attention and love from his parents as well as the extra attnetiob you are giving. He is likely to be feeling pushed out. The throwing thungs occasiobally at ikder siblings sounds quite different and likely a reaction to all the instibility and confused feelings making it harder for him to tolerate frustration. He may benefit from play therapy to help him adjust to all the instability/changes in his home life. He needs lots of care and time talking about his big feelings whilst warmly and firmly explaining it is not ok to hurt the baby.i hope it all works out well.

Anxioustealady · 05/03/2025 19:18

ShinyBadger · 05/03/2025 18:58

I have a similar issue with my nieces, the middle one hurts my son. She is 7 and my son 3 and she has been doing this since he was about 9 months.
she is always sly about it, looks out the corner of her eye to see if we are looking before hurting him.

the first time I caught her squeezing his leg when I was taking a photo for them all together, you could see her knuckles white and fingers bent where she was digging them into his leg.

My partner doesn’t take his eyes off of her when they come round and then when she says the dog pushed him or he tripped we call her out and say we were watching and we saw you do xyz…. This seems to have stopped the behaviour most of the time. Now my son can talk he shouts XX do not touch me, pinch me, push me…. Etc as we have taught him to speak up and say it very loudly if some thing happens he doesn’t like which again has helped as now he calls her out she is thinking of other ways I’m sure of how to hurt him. But I still try my hardest not to let them be alone… very hard to do.

our son didn’t cry when she used to her him either so it’s hard and like you said it’s hard to always have your eye on them.

I call her out on her behaviour, talk about it and then exclude her if she is to continue. I also now have a set of rules they have to follow or they are no longer allowed to come round for dinner etc. Abit harder for you as it’s a step child.

I wouldn't have her around my child tbh

Normallynumb · 05/03/2025 19:21

At 6 He knows he will hurt her, and my guess he is doing it for attention when you're busy
It's not always possible to watch him like a hawk, but I would send him to another room if you're busy or try DD in a sling for a while
Nursery will report any marks on baby as a safeguarding risk
I know my own DS2 was reported as he had scratches on his face inflicted by DS1 more than once... eventual SS involvement years later meant DS1 was removed for the safety of his brothers

Booboobagins · 05/03/2025 19:29

Take him to the baby with your DH there, ask him to open his hand up and put it on the bruises. If it fits its hi.. he will know you know he did it. You ask him outright and now you punish him. You cannot talk to a little kid they dont have the emotional maturity to understand that's why this is a repeated behaviour. Yes you can tell him its horrible hurting the baby, his sister. You can ask him how he'd feel if he was the baby and his big brother did that to him. But you must punish him.

I dont know if he is jealous or if he has a more complex issue, but you cannot leave the baby anywhere near him without direct supervision no matter how busy you get. In fact, delegate work to him e.g. get him to set the table etc so you can supervise the kids.

Good luck I hope he grows out of it but honestly that nastiness needs redirecting strongly.

Tandora · 05/03/2025 19:53

Sunshine1500 · 05/03/2025 18:44

I’ve not read the full thread but I’m quite shocked at the accusations to ss with no evidence except an incident that happened when he was 3 months old so 9 months ago. A lot changes in nine months as older children grow to accept and bond with their younger siblings.

This. Also the incident in question sounded ambiguous, and OP has said that his interactions with the baby that she has observed have been positive since

Hwi · 05/03/2025 19:54

Katbum · 05/03/2025 11:47

Of course I also see how it is easier for children to blame their stepmothers than to look at their childhood and realise their own parents failed to put them first. That must be unbearably painful and I’m sure that it’s something many people avoid. But ultimately if your dad/mum stayed with a partner who was cruel or indifferent to you the fault lies with the parents. And of course with the choice to separate in the first place which, with the exception of domestic violence incidences, is never in the best interests of the children.

Bravo x 1000

Hmm1234 · 05/03/2025 20:00

Please intervene asap before this turns into something more sinister, tell his dad also

StrikeAlways · 05/03/2025 20:01

GreenPinkLilac · 04/03/2025 15:37

This is what we have done. For months he’s been playing nicely with her under close supervision and being praised for it. He’s been referring to himself as “the best big brother” and cooing over her outfits and reading to her and trying to teach her tricks and looking to me for affirmation as he does it. Which is why it makes me feel so sick that he’s done it again.

I’m aware I can’t keep eyes on her constantly and I can’t stop him hurting her if he wants to. He will be able to evade cameras if he knows about them. And putting up secret cameras and waiting for him to hurt her is just a horrible thought.

What a difficult and horrible situation for her. As you have hinted at, if he is squeezing her and smiling at the same time, the mixed message alone might ward off crying unless it became extremely painful. Is your baby little enough to carry around in a sling by you and her dad, aside from those moments when you can be extra vigilant?

It sounds like an additional worry here could be your SS continuing to be violent as he grows older, since he seems to like hurting others in all his spaces. Despite the “poor little boy, don’t be angry” posts, it’s not normal for a 6 year old to be violent with his siblings, including a small baby (a 2 or 3 year old, but not a 6 year old) and also violent at school. It’s a depressing thought, but you could have your hands full with him over many years.

H0210zero · 05/03/2025 20:02

You could be looking at two separate issues here. Firstly what SS is doing and secondly why your baby isn't crying. You should get her checked out she could be anemic or have some problem that causes her to bruise easier. She may also have a very low pain threshold which could indicate other issues. So personally I'd be getting this checked out. Regarding your SS I'd be talking to your partner and bringing this up with his mum she needs to know especially if this puts her own younger children in the same kind of risk.

HardyCrow · 05/03/2025 20:27

MissDoubleU · 04/03/2025 14:27

I think you absolutely do need to speak to his mum, especially if there is a baby at her house as well. You caught him hurting the baby. He has form for hurting his other siblings, and this is an ongoing issue. I don’t know why you thought hurting the baby would just go away with one conversation. Being on the same page in both houses and making sure both babies are safe is paramount surely.

I saw you mentioned he is high needs. So I know this is all incredibly difficult, and you must have so many very valid emotions, but honesty between both houses is the only way to help all the children.

This

InNeedofAdvice1234 · 05/03/2025 20:28

GreenPinkLilac · 04/03/2025 14:19

It’s not a rash, and she’s not crawling yet. It’s multiple little bruises where there’s four on one side and one on the other, like a hand mark.

I can’t prove it’s him but I do feel that it’s likely. I have witnessed him do the exact same thing before and he regularly hurts his other siblings (but they’re bigger than him and old enough to tell us).

I would discuss the bruises with your GP. A simple blood test would tell if her blood does not clot as easily as it should. It does happen sometimes for some random reason for some people and they end up bruising easily.

croydon15 · 05/03/2025 20:53

I understand your pov but it's a cry for help from a poor little boy with no friends, his mother should be told so that she can arrange whatever additional help is needed as you have suggested.
It's a difficult situation

Lyraloo · 05/03/2025 21:47

GreenPinkLilac · 04/03/2025 14:23

This is exactly how I dealt with it last time (minus telling his mum) and I thought it worked which is why I was happy to see them playing together. Clearly it hasn’t worked.

SS often gets time by himself with an adult. The only times he’s been around the baby this weekend, we’ve all been there. The other SC are really great with the baby and I trust them (they have a younger sibling at their mum’s too).

I really think you should talk to his mum about this. If he has a younger sibling at home, is this happening there too? If so it could point to a much deeper problem that may need professional help to deal with.

Diblin93 · 06/03/2025 03:21

What if he is hurting her and leaving marks and it’s assumed that you or your husband are hurting the baby. I really think that for the sake of everyone this needs to be escalated.

carchi · 06/03/2025 11:02

If the nursery have picked up on it then there is probably cause for concern. I know that nursery's can be a bit overzealous sometimes but this is not something that you want them to escalate under any circumstances. My two older grandchildren have been caught being spiteful to their baby sister because they are jealous of her getting the necessary attention. So it's highly likely that this is the same with your SS. As another poster said set up cameras then you will be better prepared to deal with the actual facts whatever they are.

pollymere · 06/03/2025 12:10

At six, he is old enough to know better. And he's being physically abusive towards his other siblings too. He either has serious psychological issues or he's an angry and frustrated little boy.

Let's hope it's the latter. He needs someone to have a serious chat on why he's so angry and frustrated; and why he hits his siblings. I'm not talking about a "keeping your hands to yourself" speech which I'd probably what he got at school but something more than that.

You also don't know what rubbish his Mum is putting in his ears about no longer being the baby of the family and that he won't be needed/wanted as you've a new baby now. He may also love the new baby and like squeezing her legs without realising he's hurting her. Why is he so desperately seeking your approval?